From: Yury Shpilev yahoo com> Date: 14 sep 2007 Subject: Re: Error in Tsume No.2863??? --0-475933630-1189761459=:64717 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ${top_text_ad} =0A----- Original Message ----=0A=0AFrom: Bernhard C. M=C3=A4rz =0A=0ATo: shogi topica com=0A=0ASent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1= 2:33:58 PM=0A=0ASubject: Error in Tsume No.2863???=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ATo make= it clear: the Tsume can be solved and this is not the error I'm =0A=0Aspea= king, but a correct Tsume must have only ONE solution move.=0A=0A=0A=0AIf y= ou like to think about this Tsume first, go to this page and look at =0ANo.= 2863:=0A=0Ahttp://www005.upp.so-net.ne.jp/tsumepara/contents/3problem/ted/t= ed.htm=0A=0A=0A=0AAnd to keep this post understandable, when the Tsume-page= removes this =0A=0ATsume, here it is also:=0A=0A=0A=0ABlack: S5d, S6f, S4h= , N5h In hand: 2G=0A=0AWhite: K5f, R4e, S4f, N6e, P6g=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AContinue reading, when you have tried to solve this Tsume. = ;-)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AThe linked page gives the following = solution:=0A=0Ahttp://www005.upp.so-net.ne.jp/tsumepara/contents/3problem/t= ed/ted3.htm=0A=0A(1) G'5e Rx5e S6f-5g Sx5g G'4g=0A=0A=0A=0AStill I have fou= nd the following other solution:=0A=0A(2) G'4g Sx4g Sx6e Rx6e G'4f=0A=0A=0A= I founded 3rd solution:=0A(3) G'4g Sx4g G'5g Nx5g+ S4hx5g=0A=0ABut solution= (2) and (3) not correct. In final position black have piece in the hand.= =0ATherefore it tsume have only one solving (by the way in the site I have = mistake in string:=0A=0A =EF=BC=94=E6=89=8B=E7=9B=AE=E5=90=8C=E6=A1= =82=E6=88=90=EF=BC=88=E9=8A=80=E6=88=90=EF=BC=89=E3=81=AF67=E9=87=91=E3=81= =BE=E3=81=A7=E3=80=82=0A(after 4. Nx5g+(or Sx5g+) 5. G'6g - but here white'= s pawn stay, correctly: 5.G'6f (66=E9=87=91) )=0A=0AIs this Tsume wrong and= have two solutions, or have I made a mistake in =0Amy thinking?=0A=0A=0A= =0AThanks,=0A=0A=0A=0ABernhard=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABest regards,=0AYury Shpilev= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ______________________________________________________= __=0A=D0=92=D1=8B =D1=83=D0=B6=D0=B5 =D1=81 Yahoo!? =0A=D0=98=D1=81=D0=BF= =D1=8B=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=B9=D1=82=D0=B5 =D0=BE=D0=B1=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=BB= =D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=BD=D1=83=D1=8E =D0=B8 =D1=83=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=B5= =D0=BD=D0=BD=D1=83=D1=8E. Yahoo! =D0=9F=D0=BE=D1=87=D1=82=D1=83! http://ru.= mail.yahoo.com ${bottom_text_ad} --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: ${recipient} EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a2i6Ys.${encoded_sub_id}.${EMC} Or send an email to: shogi-unsubscribe topica com For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^---------------------------------------------------------------- --0-475933630-1189761459=:64717 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ${top_html_ad}
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From: Bernhard C.= M=C3=A4rz <shogi4fun arcor de>=0A
To: shogi topica com=0A
Sent= : Friday, September 14, 2007 12:33:58 PM=0A
Subject: Error in Tsume No.2= 863???=0A
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To make it clear: the Tsume can be solved and th= is is not the error I'm =0A
speaking, but a correct Tsume must have only= ONE solution move.=0A
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If you like to think about this Tsume firs= t, go to this page and look at =0ANo.2863:=0A
http://www005.upp.so-net.ne.jp/tsumepara/contents/3problem/ted/ted.htm= =0A
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And to keep this post understandable, when the Tsume-page rem= oves this =0A
Tsume, here it is also:=0A
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Black: S5d, S6f, S4h,= N5h In hand: 2G=0A
White: K5f, R4e, S4f, N6e, P6g=0A
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Continue reading, when you have tried to solve this Ts= ume.  ;-)=0A
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The linked pag= e gives the following solution:=0A
http://www= 005.upp.so-net.ne.jp/tsumepara/contents/3problem/ted/ted3.htm=0A
(1)= G'5e Rx5e S6f-5g Sx5g G'4g=0A
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Still I have found the following o= ther solution:=0A
(2) G'4g Sx4g Sx6e Rx6e G'4f=0A
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I fou= nded 3rd solution:
(3) G'4g Sx4g G'5g Nx5g+ S4hx5g

But solution (= 2) and (3) not correct. In final position black have piece in the hand.
= Therefore it tsume have only one solving (by the way in the site I have mis= take in string:
=0A =EF=BC=94=E6=89=8B=E7=9B=AE=E5=90=8C=E6=A1=82= =E6=88=90=EF=BC=88=E9=8A=80=E6=88=90=EF=BC=89=E3=81=AF67=E9=87=91=E3=81=BE= =E3=81=A7=E3=80=82
(after 4. Nx5g+(or Sx5g+) 5. G'6g - but here white's = pawn stay, correctly: 5.G'6f (66=E9=87=91) )


Is this Tsume wrong and have two solutions, or have= I made a mistake in =0Amy thinking?=0A
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Thanks,=0A
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Bern= hard=0A
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Best regards,
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Yury Shpilev

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