From: Aquinaswannabe <at> hotmail <dot> com
Date: 29 may 2007
Subject: RE: Question about "leaving your king in check"


So, aside from issues regarding manner (which, of course, are 
important), there is no differenc in practice whether "leaving one's 
king in check" is technically illegal or not, because the person who 
leaves his king in check may lose anyway, as his opponent can capture 
his king in the very next move, correct?

Of course I'm not trying to test the limit of "bad manner."  =)  I'm 
just asking for the sake of knowledge.

manabu.terao <at> mx3 <dot> ttcn <dot> ne <dot> jp wrote:
> 
> It matters in your sense as well.
> 
> For example, I heard there are some users' id of SC24 have been
>  deleted due to the fact that their Kings were repeatedly 
> captured without resignation. Repeating illegal moves of leaving
> your King in check is considered a very bad manner. 
> If you would like to keep your user id in SC24, I strongly 
> recommend you should resign immediately when your King is
> checkmated, without making another move of leaving your king in
> check that is illegal.
> 
> Manabu Terao
> 
> 
> Aquinaswannabe <at> hotmail <dot> com wrote:
> > 
> > When I asked, "does it really matter," I meant: does it really matter 
> > whether it is illegal, because the person who leaves his king in check 
> > may have his king captured in his opponent's next turn anyway?
> > 
> > 
> > manabu.terao <at> mx3 <dot> ttcn <dot> ne <dot> jp wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hello shogi fans,
> > > 
> > > It's illegal and it matters.
> > > 
> > > Kazuo Ishida made a check to Hifumi Kato's King in spite that Kato made 
> > > a check to Ishida's King just one move earlier in 1998. He lost the 
> > > game.
> > > 
> > > Here is a similar example. 
> > > 
> > > Yoshiyuki Ueyama advanced a pawn which exposed his King
> > > in the diagonal line of opponent's Bishop in the game with Masao
> > > Kitamura on May 31, 1991. He lost it because of that.
> > > The Kifu(gamerecord) is available to see at
> > > http://wiki.optus.nu/shogi/index.php?cmd=kif&cmds=display&kid=37014
> > > 
> > >  or
> > > 
> > > http://wiki.optus.nu/shogi/index.php?cmd=kif&cmds=display2&kid=37014
> > > 
> > > The move in question is the 113rd move of P6e-6d.
> > > 
> > > Manabu Terao
> > > Kifu by Opening Strategy
> > > http://shogirecords.blog.co.uk
> > > Takodori's Entrance Shogi World
> > > http://shogi.typepad.jp/eweblog/
> > > 
> > > Aquinaswannabe <at> hotmail <dot> com wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > In "Shogi for Beginners," Fairbairn writes that "leaving your king in 
> > > > check" is not illegal (though you might then lose.)  However, I found 
> > > > some websites that seem to say otherwise.  So is it illegal or not?  If 
> > > > it is illegal, does it really matter?


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