From: Adam Skalny <a3c <at> shogi <dot> sk>
Date: 16 mar 2007
Subject: Re: Shogi22680


Hallo,

yesterday we tried shogi22k irl. It's bit unbalanced, but yet *VERY*
enjoyable game to play. Even setting up pieces on board is fun. As for
us we proceed this way: First both players set up standard shogi
position. Both players than remove all pieces, but pawns. Put them to
some sort of sack or any other non-translucent container. Removed
pieces are randomly taken from container and redeployed using ito or
ohashii ryuu.

Imho this game fall into same category as micro or yari shogi:
*definitely* worth trying, nice to relax, great fun. It's very hard to
build castles or apply any complex joseki, but one can still play by
proverbs -- but I am only low kyu player, maybe stronger players have
different opinion.

Try it!

Best regards
Adam Skalny

PS: Sorry if this mail came twice :-(

Quoting Bernhard M=E4rz <shogi4fun <at> arcor <dot> de>:

>
> Hi,
>
> Because of my bad ability in English language, I decided to keep my
> homepage in German only.
> For those of you able speaking German, you can look here:
> http://home.arcor.de/Bernhard.Maerz/Shogi22680
> All other (interested people) can read my English words here.
>
>
> Inspired by Fischer Random Chess (also called Chess960 and its variant
> Chess480) I thought about this variant in shogi.
>
> Look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess960
>
> This Variant Shogi22680 is played with the same shogi-rules and only the
> starting position is different, means it's randomly.
> There are exactly 22680 possible positions for the first row.
>
> So it's understandable, that I named this variant analog "Bernhard
> Random Shogi", also called Shogi22680.
> (I hope, that nobody before me have had the same idea and gave an other
> name.)
>
> The idea behind it (read the article about Chess960, please) is, that
> the knowledge about opening (simple learning) should be less important
> than tactics and ideas during game.
>
> There are many variants possible, like:
> - mix only the first row
> - mix first and second (Bishop+Rook) row
> - makes the position symmetrical by point or by line
> - gives each player own random positions
>
> In my eyes, symmetrical positions by points seems to be the variant I
> like most and which I have tested already a little bit.
> I played some games, where I have mixed only the first row, also I
> played games where I mixed also the second row.
>
> I have written a small program, which generates such positions in
> CSA-Format.
> You can download some sample positions (CSA-files) here:
> http://home.arcor.de/Bernhard.Maerz/Shogi22680/CSA.zip
>
> With it, you can easily test Shogi22680 with your preferred Shogi
> playing program if it can read CSA-Files. So you can use at least
> Bonanza and Spear.
>
> And the next step is, to work about a handicap system for Shogi22680.
> ;-)
> But first I'm interested in your opinion about it.
>
> I wish you fun and I hope that at least a few of you will give it a try
> and tell your opinions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bernhard





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