From: bogin yahoo co jp> Date: 26 jun 2007 Subject: RE: RE: P. 143 of "Shogi for Beginners" --0-325346982-1182866304=:60707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp I wrote my reply before I read Reijer's. He said what I was trying to say but in a much better and precise way. I was incorrect when I wrote that Sente always takes the Osho. It indeed does depend, as Reijer wrote, on seniority and not on who moves first. Many western shogi players tend to think of shogi in chess terms. This can be helpful when one is just a beginner because there are quite a few similarities between the two. So, you tend to get books about shogi, like Mr. Fairbain's, that I believe are written with chess players in mind. They tend to use terms like "white king" and "black king" simply because it makes it easier for chess players to follow. But, as Reijer points out, there is much more involved with shogi then simply sitting across from your opponent and playing a game. So, much of the game involves cultural and traditional things that reflect every day life in Japan. Everything from which side of the board you sit on, to who does the furigoma, to who starts to set up their pieces first, etc, etc all our decided by things that are really not just related to shogi. There is really no need to right all of these things down on paper, because these are things are just things that the most Japanese shogi players simply do without thinking. There are no colors in shogi. There is no "white moves first. Whether you win or lose, if you play the same opponent more than once and they were your senior in the first game then they are still your senior in the second. You don't switch kings because you switch who moves first. I also tend to defer to my opponent as much as possible and just let them do the furigoma and take the Osho. This is especially true when playing people obviously older than myself or I am playing at a club for the first time. Even though I might feel that I am truly the stronger player, I just let the other player take it. Having or not having the Osho does not effect the result of the game. It is simply a question of manners. When you're a non-Japanese person playing in a Japanese shogi club you tend to draw a crowd. A person who does not appear to be arrogant or rude will probably leave a better impression than some one who just grabs for the Osho. Bill Gaudry --------------------------------- Start Yahoo! Auction now! Check out the cool campaign --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: shogi-l shogi net EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a2i6Ys.aCqKR7.c2hvZ2kt Or send an email to: shogi-unsubscribe topica com For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^---------------------------------------------------------------- --0-325346982-1182866304=:60707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-2022-jp
I wrote my reply before I read Reijer's. He said what I was trying to say but in a much better and precise way. I was incorrect when I wrote that Sente always takes the Osho. It indeed does depend, as Reijer wrote, on seniority and not on who moves first. 
 
Many western shogi players tend to think of shogi in chess terms. This can be helpful when one is just a beginner because there are quite a few similarities between the two. So, you tend to get books about shogi, like Mr. Fairbain's, that I believe are written with chess players in mind. They tend to use terms like "white king" and "black king" simply because it makes it easier for chess players to follow.
But, as Reijer points out, there is much more involved with shogi then simply sitting across from your opponent and playing a game. So, much of the game involves cultural and traditional things that reflect every day life in Japan. Everything from which side of the board you sit on, to who does the furigoma, to who starts to set up their pieces first, etc, etc all our decided by things that are really not just related to shogi. There is really no need to right all of these things down on paper, because these are things are just things that the most Japanese shogi players simply do without thinking. There are no colors in shogi. There is no "white moves first. Whether you win or lose, if you play the same opponent more than once and they were your senior in the first game then they are still your senior in the second. You don't switch kings because you switch who moves first.
 
I also tend to defer to my opponent as much as possible and just let them do the furigoma and take the Osho. This is especially true when playing people obviously older than myself or I am playing at a club for the first time. Even though I might feel that I am truly the stronger player, I just let the other player take it. Having or not having the Osho does not effect the result of the game. It is simply a question of manners.  When you're a non-Japanese person playing in a Japanese shogi club you tend to draw a crowd. A person who does not appear to be arrogant or rude will probably leave a better impression than some one who just grabs for the Osho.
 
Bill Gaudry
 


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