From: Aquinaswannabe <at> hotmail <dot> com
Date: 4 jul 2007
Subject: RE: RE: P. 143 of "Shogi for Beginners"


I see.  Just out of curiosity: is there any set of official rules of=20
shogi that mention such trading of kings after Furigoma?

Manabu Terao wrote:
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> As far as my experience concerned, I've never seen such trading
> after Furigoma.
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> Manabu Terao=20
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> Aquinaswannabe <at> hotmail <dot> com wrote:
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> > Just one last question to clear this up.  I'm sorry if you find my=20
> > question unnecessarily speculative.
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> > If the higher ranked player, who has taken the king general, is awarded=
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> > sente through furigoma, do the two players then trade their kings?
> >=20
> >=20
> > Manabu Terao wrote:
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> > > Hello shogi fans,
> > >=20
> > > I think it's time JSA to do so in their website. So ask JSA.
> > >=20
> > > Regards
> > > Manabu Terao
> > >=20
> > > Aquinaswannabe <at> hotmail <dot> com wrote:
> > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > I hope this isn't too much to ask for, but can you give me a transl=
ation=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > of the relevant portion of the official rules?
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> > > > Also, if you give me a link to an English version of the official r=
ules=20
> > > > online, I'd deeply appreciate it, as I've never been able to find a=
n=20
> > > > English version of the official rules online (though I've found ple=
nty=20
> > > > of rules.)  It would be nice to have such a translation, so that ma=
ny=20
> > > > questions may be avoided.
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> > > >=20
> > > > fabien.osmont <at> teambridge <dot> ch wrote:
> > > > > Yes, I think he's wrong.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > A few monthes ago we had already a big discussion in the french f=
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> > > > > with=20
> > > > > "beginners" about this point and we verified the information we h=
ad.
> > > > > So I can confirm now that the King is for the "theorically" stron=
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> > > > > player, and the "Jade General" is for his "challenger".
> > > > > It is clearly written in the japanese official rules.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Nevertheless, in the western amateur world, I've never seen peopl=
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> > > > > really=20
> > > > > taking care of this.
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> > > > > Fabien
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> > > > > Aquinaswannabe <at> hotmail <dot> com wrote on 25/06/2007 04:15:36:
> > > > >=20
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > On P. 143 of "Shogi for Beginners," John Fairbairn writes, "It =
is not=20
> > > > > > important but a convention that many players like ot follow, fo=
r a bit=20
> > > > > > of extra atmosphere perhaps, is that if a set has two types of =
king,=20
> > > > > > Black takes the one marked [Kanji character for 'jade'] and Whi=
te take=20
> > > > > > marked [kanji character for 'king']."
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > Is John Fairfairn wrong about this?
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