From: Alain Vanhentenryck <alain.vanhentenryck <at> gmail <dot> com>
Date: 15 jan 2007
Subject: Re: tsume-shogi little question

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No question is naive,
there are only stupid responses.

I solved probably more than 1000 tsume (nail) shogi
(tsume shogi  = nial mate in x moves) and
can only "confirm" your supposition at 99 pc.
So I suppose if you have to capture piece for checking the king
you have to reuse it for solving the tsume and empty your hand
.
Reijer or Patrick Davin or Pieter Stouten,
is it possible to confirm this incomplete answer ?

Normally the composer gives you only the necessary material
in hand for solving the tsume in exactly the number of moves
mentionioned. In some tsumes even the number of moves
is kept secret.
It is so that the composer tsume-shogi is only correct if and only if,
you can do it in one and only one way, that means that the order of
moves and the solution are UNIQUE. And  that you can not
solve it in less than the number of moves it mentioned.
Also every move from black must be a check (nail) move.

Hope this "stupid" response helps you.

Fat Bold Cyclop, if you have more questions about tsume shogi,
you have the possibility to contact  me directly or
if the moderator estimates tsume shogi is not off topic in
this discussion list you can also doing it via the mailing
list or/and consult Internet.

Alain Vanhentenryck

Complex numbers: They are all fun and games until someone loses an i.


On 15/01/07, fat bold cyclop <fat.bold.cyclop <at> gmail <dot> com> wrote:
>
>
> I started to do some tsume-shogi problems.
> Sorry if the question is naive, but I'd like to get it straight.
>
> If black caputres enemy piece, should the piece also be dropped?
> I mean: the correct solution of tsume is when the white king is
> checkmated and black has an "empty" hand, isn't it?
>
> TIA,
> fat bold cyclop
>
>
>
>


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<div>No question is naive,</div>
<div>there are only stupid responses.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I solved probably more than 1000 tsume (nail) shogi </div>
<div>(tsume shogi&nbsp; = nial mate in x moves) and </div>
<div>can only &quot;confirm&quot; your supposition at 99 pc.</div>
<div>So I suppose if you have to capture piece for checking the king</div>
<div>you have to reuse it for solving the tsume and empty your hand</div>
<div>.</div>
<div>Reijer or Patrick Davin or Pieter Stouten,</div>
<div>is it possible to confirm this incomplete answer ?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Normally the composer gives you only the necessary material</div>
<div>in hand for solving the tsume in exactly&nbsp;the number of moves</div>
<div>mentionioned. In some tsumes even the number of moves</div>
<div>is kept secret.</div>
<div>It is so that the composer tsume-shogi is only correct if and only if,</div>
<div>you can do it in one and only one way, that means that the order of</div>
<div>moves and the solution are UNIQUE. And&nbsp; that you can not</div>
<div>solve it in less than the number of moves it&nbsp;mentioned.</div>
<div>Also every move from black must be a check (nail) move.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Hope this &quot;stupid&quot; response helps you.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Fat Bold Cyclop, if&nbsp;you have more questions about tsume shogi,</div>
<div>you&nbsp;have the possibility to contact&nbsp; me directly or</div>
<div>if the moderator estimates tsume shogi is not off topic in</div>
<div>this discussion list you can also doing it via the mailing</div>
<div>list or/and consult Internet.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Alain Vanhentenryck</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Complex numbers: They are all fun and games until someone loses an i.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 15/01/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">fat bold cyclop</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:fat.bold.cyclop <at> gmail <dot> com">fat <dot> bold <dot> cyclop@gmail <dot> com</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br>I started to do some tsume-shogi problems.<br>Sorry if the question is naive, but I&#39;d like to get it straight.
<br><br>If black caputres enemy piece, should the piece also be dropped?<br>I mean: the correct solution of tsume is when the white king is<br>checkmated and black has an &quot;empty&quot; hand, isn&#39;t it?<br><br>TIA,<br>

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