From: Alain Vanhentenryck gmail com> Date: 25 aug 2007 Subject: Re: Universal Shogi Interface (japanese Dot.Net Programs) ------=_Part_141606_31151626.1188031921326 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Reijer, not an answer as computer newbie (my first machine was an IBM card reader, my second a Sinclair ZX81) but completely new into windows non command interface programming. Some suggestions... (1) Problems with windows character code unifiers a google search on "windows character code unifier's" can help you. (2) Porting the whole thing to Microsoft Net 3.0 programming environnement see if the problem persists and try the search a solution in the MS dot net 3.0 user and support group and communities. This is in my humble opinion the easiest (3) Creating your own FONT with a mixture of Japanese Shogi and English characters This is creating the most work, and you can expect copyright problems. But because it's a free application... Installing a new font is no problem for the end user. (4) Unfortunately I do not have access to test machines before half September begin October, so I can not help you in Beta testing. (5) MS and Sun are not the best friends. Contact one (MS) or both directly from your University could provide clues or hints to help you. They CERTAINLY have code problems with most off their applications. Have the latest JDK and JRE. It could be possible that it runs on a JDK machine and not on a JRE machine. Some sun pleasures. (6) Last but also a quick and dirty patch. If you have to compile some the code, insert compiling code and switches for a Japanese and an English version, and distribute two executable versions. If the English version works, 99 pc chance that mostly all European version= s would work too. (French Netherlands German Scandinavian...) It is absolutely inelegant and nasty work but if it helps... But please, keep one code, and two executables else you become both crazy after debugging and addons and cleaning and maintaining your code. Hope this simple and stupid hints would help you. Or give idea's to other people... Yours Sincerely. Alain Vanhentenryck (Belgium) On 24/08/07, Reijer Grimbergen yz yamagata-u ac jp> wrote: > > > I have established contact with the author of Shogidokoro and we will be > working together to make an English version of the program. > > Unfortunately, we have been unable to isolate the problem that crashes > the program when run on a non-Japanese Windows PC. We thought it might > have to do with the display of Japanese characters, but a simple test > showed that this not the problem. Any suggestions are welcome! > > Reijer > > Reijer Grimbergen wrote: > > > Hi Bernard, > > > > There definitely is a problem with running Shogidokoro on a non-Japanes= e > > Windows machine. The website says the program needs Microsoft .NET > > Framework 2.0 to run, but this is only true for Japanese Windows. When = I > > tried to install Shogidokoro on an English Windows XP, it crashed just > > like you said. > > > > I will try to contact the author about this to try and solve the > > problem. I am also planning to contact the author about a version where > > at least the GUI is in English (translating the long explanation on the > > website is not going to be so easy, though...). Problem is that there i= s > > no contact link on the website (no name, no mail), so I am waiting for = a > > reply on Yamashita's BBS at the moment. > > > > Reijer > > > > > > Bernhard C. M=E4rz wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> This program looks great ... > >> > >> ... but it didn't work on my computer. > >> > >> > >>> Shogidokoro should run on WindowsXP/2000 according to the page > >>> through the URL Reijer pointed out. > >> > >> > >> > >> Maybe it need also a Japanese Windows??? > >> > >> > >> I have tested Shogidokoro at 3 different computers (2x XP professional > >> and 1x XP home). > >> At one computer I got an error message ("Shogidokoro has problems and > >> must be ended. Do you like to inform Microsoft ...") and at the other > >> two computers the process simply disappeared after a few seconds. > >> > >> I'm really experienced with "japanize your western windows" and after > >> some time I even found the option "Language for programs without > >> UNICODE-Support" with which Japanese works very well. (I believe only > >> Java didn't use this option in non-UNICODE-Controls and in such > >> programs there is still something to do.) > >> > >> > >> Also there is one more program with the same problems as Shogidokoro: > >> MyBona.exe > >> MyBona.exe didn't work with the same error description. I didn't took > >> too much attention at it, because there are good other GUIs for > >> Bonanza. (But still I wondered, why it's not working.) > >> > >> But now it seems (in my eyes), that the problem is Dot.NET for > >> Japanese programs in western windows. > >> Of course I had installed the correct Version of Dot.NET (simply > >> testing it by renaming the > >> "C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727" directory I got a > >> message that this version of Dot.NET is missing). > >> Also I had tried the language pack for Dot.NET without success. > >> > >> Is there somebody with nonjapanese window where Shogidokoro and MyBona > >> are working? > >> Can somebody help me, please? > >> > >> For MyBona it was not so important, but I really like to get > >> Shogidokoro working and maybe this will be really the start of a > >> similar success story happened with Arena (or even X-/WinBoard) in the > >> chess world. > >> > >> By the way: are there plans for Shogidokoro to support different > >> languages (at least English - which should be enough)? ;-) > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Bernhard > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Reijer Grimbergen > Department of Informatics, Yamagata University > Jonan 4-3-16, Yonezawa, 992-8510 Japan > Tel: +81-(0)238-26-3740 FAX: +81-(0)238-26-3299 > http://gamelab.yz.yamagata-u.ac.jp/ > > > > ------=_Part_141606_31151626.1188031921326 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Reijer, not an answer as computer newbie (my first machine was an IBM = card reader,
my second a Sinclair ZX81) but completely new into windows non command= interface
programming.
 
Some suggestions...
 
(1) Problems with windows ch= aracter code unifiers
a google search on "windows character code unifier's" ca= n help you.
 
(2) Porting the = whole thing to Microsoft Net 3.0 programming environnement
see if the problem pers= ists and try the search a solution in the MS dot net 3.0
user and support group and communities. This is in my humble opinion t= he easiest
 
(3) Creating your own FONT w= ith a mixture of Japanese Shogi and English characters
This is cr= eating the most work, and you can expect copyright problems.
But because it's a free application...
Installing a new font is no problem for the end user.
 
(4) Unfortunately I d= o not have access to test machines before half September begin October,
so I can not help you in Beta testing.
 
(5) MS and Sun are not the b= est friends. Contact one (MS) or both directly from your
University could provide clues or hints to help you.
They CERTAINLY have code problems with most off their applications.
Have the latest JDK and JRE. It could be possible that it runs on a JD= K machine
and not on a JRE machine. Some sun pleasures.
 
(6) Last but also a quick an= d dirty patch.
If you have to compile some the code, insert compiling code and s= witches  for a Japanese and an English version, and distribute two exe= cutable versions.
If the English version works, 99 pc chance that mostly all European ve= rsions would work too.
(French Netherlands German Scandinavian...)
It is absolutely inelegant and nasty work but if it helps...
But please, keep one code, and two executables else you become both cr= azy after debugging and
addons and cleaning and maintaining your code.
 
Hope this simple and stupid hints would help you.
Or give idea's to other people...
 
Yours Sincerely.
Alain Vanhentenryck
(Belgium)
 
On 24/08/07, Reijer Grimbergen < yz yamagata-u ac jp">grim= @yz.yamagata-u.ac.jp> wrote:

I have established contact w= ith the author of Shogidokoro and we will be
working together to make an= English version of the program.

Unfortunately, we have been unable to isolate the problem that cras= hes
the program when run on a non-Japanese Windows PC. We thought it mig= ht
have to do with the display of Japanese characters, but a simple test
showed that this not the problem. Any suggestions are welcome!

R= eijer

Reijer Grimbergen wrote:

> Hi Bernard,
>
&g= t; There definitely is a problem with running Shogidokoro on a non-Japanese
> Windows machine. The website says the program needs Microsoft .NET=
> Framework 2.0 to run, but this is only true for Japanese Windows. = When I
> tried to install Shogidokoro on an English Windows XP, it cr= ashed just
> like you said.
>
> I will try to contact the author ab= out this to try and solve the
> problem. I am also planning to contac= t the author about a version where
> at least the GUI is in English (= translating the long explanation on the
> website is not going to be so easy, though...). Problem is that th= ere is
> no contact link on the website (no name, no mail), so I am w= aiting for a
> reply on Yamashita's BBS at the moment.
>
> Reijer
>
>
> Bernhard C. M=E4rz wrote:
>>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This program looks great= ...
>>
>> ... but it didn't work on my computer.
>>
>>
>>> Shogidokoro should run on WindowsXP/20= 00 according to the page
>>> through the URL Reijer pointed out= .
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe it need also a Japa= nese Windows???
>>
>>
>> I have tested Shogidokoro at 3 differe= nt computers (2x XP professional
>> and 1x XP home).
>> A= t one computer I got an error message ("Shogidokoro has problems and
>> must be ended. Do you like to inform Microsoft ...") and = at the other
>> two computers the process simply disappeared after= a few seconds.
>>
>> I'm really experienced with &qu= ot;japanize your western windows" and after
>> some time I even found the option "Language for programs = without
>> UNICODE-Support" with which Japanese works very we= ll. (I believe only
>> Java didn't use this option in non-UNIC= ODE-Controls and in such
>> programs there is still something to do.)
>>
>&= gt;
>> Also there is one more program with the same problems as Sh= ogidokoro:
>> MyBona.exe
>> MyBona.exe didn't work wi= th the same error description. I didn't took
>> too much attention at it, because there are good other GUIs fo= r
>> Bonanza. (But still I wondered, why it's not working.)>>
>> But now it seems (in  my eyes), that the pr= oblem is=20 Dot.NET for
>> Japanese programs in western windows.
>> O= f course I had installed the correct Version of Dot.NET (simply
>>= testing it by renaming the
>> "C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Fram= ework\v2.0.50727" directory I got a
>> message that this version of Dot.NET is missing).
>> = Also I had tried the language pack for Dot.NET without success.
>>=
>> Is there somebody with nonjapanese window where Shogidokoro an= d MyBona
>> are working?
>> Can somebody help me, please?
>= >
>> For MyBona it was not so important, but I really like to g= et
>> Shogidokoro working and maybe this will be really the start = of a
>> similar success story happened with Arena (or even X-/WinBoard= ) in the
>> chess world.
>>
>> By the way: are t= here plans for Shogidokoro to support different
>> languages (at l= east English - which should be enough)? ;-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bernhard
>&g= t;
>>
>>
>>
>

--

Reijer Grim= bergen
Department of Informatics, Yamagata University
Jonan 4-3-16, Y= onezawa, 992-8510 Japan
Tel: +81-(0)238-26-3740  FAX: +81-(0)238-26-3299
http://gamelab.yz.yamagata-u.ac.jp= ------------------------------------


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