From: Alain Vanhentenryck gmail com> Date: 3 aug 2007 Subject: Re: Adjourned Games ------=_Part_100427_6092998.1186142319809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I once asked this question to Hans Secelle, the former President of the European Shogi Association. He tells me that it was a code of honor not to do night analysis even to consult other shogi players and talk about the running game. The code of honor included that even when you go to bed you do not start blind analysis. But the question know takes another form. Do the players respect these directives ? My humble opinion is yes ! I do not think it is good for your mental health to start analysing a position at 10 PM, after you have played nine hours shogi. But controversial meanings are welcome. Maybe a Japanese reader of shogi-L can ask the question to a Pro-player ? So we have a correct answer and no guess. Alain Van hentenryck (Belgium) On 02/08/07, Mark Schreiber hotmail com> wrote: > > > Thanks Larry. What about assistants analyzing the game with the pro during > adjournment? Is this also permitted? Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Kaufman" comcast net> > To: topica com> > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 12:35 AM > Subject: Re: Adjourned Games > > > > > > For games with really long time limits like the Meijin (9 hours per > > side) games are scheduled for two days and are usually adjourned. I > never > > heard of any rule against looking at books overnight; it would be > > unenforceable anyway. > > > > Larry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Schreiber" hotmail com> > > To: topica com> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:41 PM > > Subject: Adjourned Games > > > > > > > > > > Do Pros adjourn games that use several hours per side? During > adjournment > > > are Pros allowed to consult shogi books? > > > Mark > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Larry Kaufman > > > To: shogi topica com > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:26 AM > > > Subject: Re: Shogi time controls > > > > > > > > > Nothing is standardized. Probably ten minute sudden death or 10" > or > > > 20'' per move are the most popular time controls for really fast play. > > > > > > Larry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jeff Rollason > > > To: shogi topica com > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:50 AM > > > Subject: Re: Shogi time controls > > > > > > > > > Thanks Larry. I was thinking more Amateur than Pro., so I will go for > the > > > 45 > > > limit. Are there any standardised Blitz-style timings in use? > > > > > > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Larry Kaufman > > > To: shogi topica com > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:17 PM > > > Subject: Re: Shogi time controls > > > > > > > > > Depends on whether you mean amateur or pro. Rating play of the > Tokyo > > > Amateur Renmei uses 45' sudden death. Some amateur events use 30' plus > 30" > > > byoyomi. Pro events (other than tv games) usually use several hours > per > > > side > > > plus one minute byoyomi. > > > > > > Larry Kaufman > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jeff Rollason > > > To: shogi topica com > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 1:10 PM > > > Subject: Shogi time controls > > > > > > > > > Can anyone tell me what time controls might be typically used in Shogi > > > tournaments and matches in Japan? In chess there are batches of 40 > moves > > > in > > > 2 hours, with renewed time allocation and also Blitz timing. I know > the > > > CSA > > > timing is 25 minutes for all your moves, but may be that is not in use > in > > > human tournaments. This is for use for on-line games. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Jeff Rollason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_100427_6092998.1186142319809 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I once asked this question to Hans Secelle, the former President of the European Shogi Association.
He tells me that it was a code of honor not to do night analysis even to consult other shogi players and
talk about the running game.
The code of honor included that even when you go to bed you do not start blind analysis.
But the question know takes another form.
 
Do the players respect these directives ?
 
My humble opinion is yes !
 
I do not think it is good for your mental health to start analysing a position at 10 PM,
after you have played nine hours shogi.
But controversial meanings are welcome.
Maybe a Japanese reader of shogi-L can ask the question to a Pro-player ?
So we have a correct answer and no guess.
 
Alain Van hentenryck
(Belgium)
 
On 02/08/07, Mark Schreiber <mark_schreiber@hotmail com> wrote:

Thanks Larry. What about assistants analyzing the game with the pro during
adjournment? Is this also permitted? Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Kaufman" <lkaufman@comcast net>
To: <shogi@topica com>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Adjourned Games


>
>      For games with really long time limits like the Meijin (9 hours per
> side) games are scheduled for two days and are usually adjourned. I never
> heard of any rule against looking at books overnight; it would be
> unenforceable anyway.
>
>      Larry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Schreiber" <mark_schreiber@hotmail com >
> To: <shogi@topica com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:41 PM
> Subject: Adjourned Games
>
>
> >
> > Do Pros adjourn games that use several hours per side? During
adjournment
> > are Pros allowed to consult shogi books?
> > Mark
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Larry Kaufman
> > To: shogi topica com
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: Shogi time controls
> >
> >
> >     Nothing is standardized. Probably ten minute sudden death or 10" or
> > 20'' per move are the most popular time controls for really fast play.
> >
> > Larry
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jeff Rollason
> > To: shogi topica com
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: Shogi time controls
> >
> >
> > Thanks Larry. I was thinking more Amateur than Pro., so I will go for
the
> > 45
> > limit. Are there any standardised Blitz-style timings in use?
> >
> > Jeff
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Larry Kaufman
> > To: shogi@topica com
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: Shogi time controls
> >
> >
> >     Depends on whether you mean amateur or pro. Rating play of the Tokyo
> > Amateur Renmei uses 45' sudden death. Some amateur events use 30' plus
30"
> > byoyomi. Pro events (other than tv games) usually use several hours per
> > side
> > plus one minute byoyomi.
> >
> > Larry Kaufman
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jeff Rollason
> > To: shogi@topica com
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 1:10 PM
> > Subject: Shogi time controls
> >
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what time controls might be typically used in Shogi
> > tournaments and matches in Japan? In chess there are batches of 40 moves
> > in
> > 2 hours, with renewed time allocation and also Blitz timing. I know the
> > CSA
> > timing is 25 minutes for all your moves, but may be that is not in use
in
> > human tournaments. This is for use for on-line games. ------=_Part_100427_6092998.1186142319809--