From: Aquinaswannabe hotmail com Date: 13 may 2006 Subject: RE: Definition of 'Higher ranked player'(Was: More for Manabu Terao) Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Is your computer freezing up or slowing down? Repair corrupt files and harmful errors - protect your PC Take a 2-minute PC health check-up at no charge! http://click.topica.com/= caaeKAPa2i6YsbnuqMaa/PC Powerscan ------------------------------------------------------------------- One more thing. You already talked about professional games. In an=20 amateur game, does the player with a lower shogi skill ranking and=20 social status use the Jade General? Manabu Terao wrote: >=20 > Hello >=20 > Then my recommendation is for an older player to use Osho. >=20 > Manabu Terao >=20 > Aquinaswannabe hotmail com wrote: >=20 > > What about outside of the professional world? I only play Shogi=20 > > casually (although I'm also trying to seriously learn the tactics and= =20 > > strategies). I don't have any dan or kyu except yahoo rating. If I'm= =20 > > just playing causally with friends who also do not have any dan or kyu= =20 > > (though some of them have yahoo rating), and I want to practice Shogi= =20 > > etiquette, how should we decide who uses the Jade General? > >=20 > > Manabu Terao wrote: > > >=20 > > > Hello, > > >=20 > > > The answer is both. > > >=20 > > > When I talked about "rank" in the context of 'higher ranked player' i= n=20 > > > the > > > professional shogi world, it meant four ranks such as whether a title= =20 > > > holder=20 > > > or not, ranking in Juni-sen, Dan grade of a player and ranking in=20 > > > Ryuoh-sen > > >=20 > > > I think whether title holder or not is a ranking of mixture of shogi= =20 > > > skill level > > > and social status to some extent. And I think Dan grade of a player i= s a=20 > > >=20 > > > ranking > > > of mixture of shogi skill level, social status and seniority. On the= =20 > > > other hand, > > > rankings in Juni-sen and Ryuoh-sen reflect on the performance in thes= e > > > tournaments in the past, especially last year. > > >=20 > > > Manabu Terao > > >=20 > > > Aquinaswannabe hotmail com wrote: > > >=20 > > > > Thanks, but actually my question is a lot simpler than that =3D) > > > >=20 > > > > What I really meant to ask is this: when you talked about "rank," s= uch=20 > > > > as when you wrote, "higher ranked player uses Osho," were you refer= ring=20 > > > > to a ranking that reflects one's shogi skill level, or were you tal= king=20 > > > > about one's ranking in something else such as social status and=20 > > > > seniority in work and school? > > > >=20 > > > > Manabu Terao wrote: > > > > >=20 > > > > > Hello, > > > > >=20 > > > > > Before answering the question, I revised the subject as above sin= ce this > > > > > will be archived at http://www.shogi.net/shogi-l/Archive/ and=20 > > > > > http://lists.topica.com/lists/shogi/read , and I thought the revi= sed=20 > > > > > title=20 > > > > > will represent the contents of the message better for people who = will=20 > > > > > use > > > > > those archives later. > > > > >=20 > > > > > It's a good and tough question to answer. I think there is no=20 > > > > > publication > > > > > for NSR to clearly define which player is a higher ranked player.= > > > > >=20 > > > > > As far as I think of, there are four ranking systems in the profe= ssional=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > shogi world such as the relation between a title holder and a cha= llenger=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > in a title match, ranking in Juni-sen, Dan grade, and Ryuoh-sen r= anking. > > > > >=20 > > > > > I believe that a title holder is always considered a higher ranke= d=20 > > > > > player > > > > > against a challenger in a title match. And I guess the ranking in= =20 > > > > > Juni-sen > > > > > is applied in most other cases than title matches and Ryuoh-sen. = But I'm=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > not > > > > > sure. > > > > >=20 > > > > > The shogi scoresheet which NSR have used does fields for neither = which=20 > > > > > player is a higher ranked player nor which player uses Osho/Gyoku= sho. So=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > their recordkeepers have not recorded which player used Gyokusho = at all. > > > > >=20 > > > > > Manabu Terao > > > > >=20 > > > > > Aquinaswannabe hotmail com wrote: > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Sorry again for addressing you in a public forum. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > My question is this: when you wrote, "higher ranked player uses= Osho,"=20 > > > > > > by "rank" you're referring to the Dan (=1B$BCJ=1B(B) in Shogi s= kill grading=20 > > > > > > of a player, correct? > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Manabu Terao wrote: > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > No, he doesn't. It does not have anything to do with whether = Sente or=20 > > > > > > > Gote. It is a custom that a higher ranked player uses Osho.= =20 > > > > > > > However, an older player sometimes uses Osho even if he is lo= wer ranked=20 > > > > > > > when a younger player shows his respect for seniority. > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Manabu Terao > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > Does the player who has plays first (the player who is Sent= e) always=20 > > > > > > > > uses the Jade General (=1B$B!&%N%"=1B(BN, Gyokusho), while = the player who=20 > > > > > > > > plays=20 > > > > > > > > second (the player who is Gote) always uses the King Genera= l=20 > > > > > > > > (=1B$B!"=1B(B?$B%"N,=20 > > > > > > > > Osho)?=20 >=20 --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: = shogi-l shogi net EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a2i6Ys.= bnuqMa.= c2hvZ2kt Or send an email to: shogi-unsubscribe topica com For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=3DTEXFOOTER --^----------------------------------------------------------------