From: Manabu Terao <manabu.terao <at> mx3 <dot> ttcn <dot> ne <dot> jp>
Date: 13 may 2006
Subject: Re: Definition of 'Higher ranked player'(Was: More for Manabu Terao)

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Hello,

The answer is both.

When I talked about "rank" in the context of 'higher ranked player' in the
professional shogi world, it meant four ranks such as whether a title holde=
r=20
or not, ranking in Juni-sen, Dan grade of a player and ranking in Ryuoh-sen=


I think whether title holder or not is a ranking of mixture of shogi skill =
level
and social status to some extent. And I think Dan grade of a player is a ra=
nking
of mixture of shogi skill level, social status and seniority. On the other =
hand,
rankings in Juni-sen and Ryuoh-sen reflect on the performance in these
tournaments in the past, especially last year.

Manabu Terao

Aquinaswannabe <at> hotmail <dot> com wrote:

> Thanks, but actually my question is a lot simpler than that =3D)
>=20
> What I really meant to ask is this: when you talked about "rank," such=
=20
> as when you wrote, "higher ranked player uses Osho," were you referring=
=20
> to a ranking that reflects one's shogi skill level, or were you talking=
=20
> about one's ranking in something else such as social status and=20
> seniority in work and school?
>=20
> Manabu Terao wrote:
> >=20
> > Hello,
> >=20
> > Before answering the question, I revised the subject as above since thi=
s
> > will be archived at http://www.shogi.net/shogi-l/Archive/ and=20
> > http://lists.topica.com/lists/shogi/read , and I thought the revised=
=20
> > title=20
> > will represent the contents of the message better for people who will=
=20
> > use
> > those archives later.
> >=20
> > It's a good and tough question to answer. I think there is no=20
> > publication
> > for NSR to clearly define which player is a higher ranked player.
> >=20
> > As far as I think of, there are four ranking systems in the professiona=
l=20
> >=20
> > shogi world such as the relation between a title holder and a challenge=
r=20
> >=20
> > in a title match, ranking in Juni-sen, Dan grade, and Ryuoh-sen ranking=
.
> >=20
> > I believe that a title holder is always considered a higher ranked=20
> > player
> > against a challenger in a title match. And I guess the ranking in=20
> > Juni-sen
> > is applied in most other cases than title matches and Ryuoh-sen. But I'=
m=20
> > not
> > sure.
> >=20
> > The shogi scoresheet which NSR have used does fields for neither which=
=20
> > player is a higher ranked player nor which player uses Osho/Gyokusho. S=
o=20
> >=20
> > their recordkeepers have not recorded which player used Gyokusho at all=
.
> >=20
> > Manabu Terao
> >=20
> > Aquinaswannabe <at> hotmail <dot> com wrote:
> >=20
> > > Sorry again for addressing you in a public forum.
> > >=20
> > > My question is this: when you wrote, "higher ranked player uses Osho,=
"=20
> > > by "rank" you're referring to the Dan (=1B$BCJ=1B(B) in Shogi skill g=
rading=20
> > > of a player, correct?
> > >=20
> > > Manabu Terao wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > > Hello,
> > > >=20
> > > > No, he doesn't. It does not have anything to do with whether Sente =
or=20
> > > > Gote. It is a custom that a higher ranked player uses Osho.=20
> > > > However, an older player sometimes uses Osho even if he is lower ra=
nked=20
> > > > when a younger player shows his respect for seniority.
> > > >=20
> > > > Manabu Terao
> > > >=20
> > > > > Does the player who has plays first (the player who is Sente) alw=
ays=20
> > > > > uses the Jade General (=1B$B!&%N%"=1B(BN, Gyokusho), while the pl=
ayer who=20
> > > > > plays=20
> > > > > second (the player who is Gote) always uses the King General=20
> > > > > (=1B$B!"=1B(B=FD=1B$B%"=1B(BN,=20
> > > > > Osho)?=20


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