From: Aquinaswannabe <at> hotmail <dot> com
Date: 13 may 2006
Subject: RE: Definition of 'Higher ranked player'(Was: More for Manabu Terao)

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Thanks, but actually my question is a lot simpler than that =3D)

What I really meant to ask is this: when you talked about "rank," such=20
as when you wrote, "higher ranked player uses Osho," were you referring=20
to a ranking that reflects one's shogi skill level, or were you talking=20
about one's ranking in something else such as social status and=20
seniority in work and school?

Manabu Terao wrote:
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> Hello,
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> Before answering the question, I revised the subject as above since this
> will be archived at http://www.shogi.net/shogi-l/Archive/ and=20
> http://lists.topica.com/lists/shogi/read , and I thought the revised=20
> title=20
> will represent the contents of the message better for people who will=20
> use
> those archives later.
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> It's a good and tough question to answer. I think there is no=20
> publication
> for NSR to clearly define which player is a higher ranked player.
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> As far as I think of, there are four ranking systems in the professional=
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>=20
> shogi world such as the relation between a title holder and a challenger=
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> in a title match, ranking in Juni-sen, Dan grade, and Ryuoh-sen ranking.
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> I believe that a title holder is always considered a higher ranked=20
> player
> against a challenger in a title match. And I guess the ranking in=20
> Juni-sen
> is applied in most other cases than title matches and Ryuoh-sen. But I'm=
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> not
> sure.
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> The shogi scoresheet which NSR have used does fields for neither which=
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> player is a higher ranked player nor which player uses Osho/Gyokusho. So=
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> their recordkeepers have not recorded which player used Gyokusho at all.
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> Manabu Terao
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> Aquinaswannabe <at> hotmail <dot> com wrote:
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> > Sorry again for addressing you in a public forum.
> >=20
> > My question is this: when you wrote, "higher ranked player uses Osho,"=
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> > by "rank" you're referring to the Dan (=1B$BCJ=1B(B) in Shogi skill gra=
ding=20
> > of a player, correct?
> >=20
> > Manabu Terao wrote:
> > >=20
> > > Hello,
> > >=20
> > > No, he doesn't. It does not have anything to do with whether Sente or=
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> > > Gote. It is a custom that a higher ranked player uses Osho.=20
> > > However, an older player sometimes uses Osho even if he is lower rank=
ed=20
> > > when a younger player shows his respect for seniority.
> > >=20
> > > Manabu Terao
> > >=20
> > > > Does the player who has plays first (the player who is Sente) alway=
s=20
> > > > uses the Jade General (=1B$B!&%N%"=1B(BN, Gyokusho), while the play=
er who=20
> > > > plays=20
> > > > second (the player who is Gote) always uses the King General=20
> > > > (=1B$B!"=1B(B=FD=1B$B%"=1B(BN,=20
> > > > Osho)?=20
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