From: fabien.osmont teambridge ch Date: 11 may 2006 Subject: RE: Playing without komadai (read this instead) This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00362D85C125716B_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Is your computer freezing up or slowing down? Repair corrupt files and harmful errors - protect your PC Take a 2-minute PC health check-up at no charge! http://click.topica.com/= caaeKAPa2i6YsbnuqMaa/PC Powerscan ------------------------------------------------------------------- Answer is then, to my mind, yes you can put your pieces directly on the=20 table without disturbing the rules and your oponent. If you are playing on= =20 a floor, you can even put them on the floor. On the pictures, you actually see people NOT putting pieces on a komadai= =20 or anything else. That's what I wanted to illustrate and though you were= =20 able to notice it. Hope it'll help you to find a way to play Shogi. Playing is probably the= =20 most important of all :-) Rgds Fab Aquinaswannabe hotmail com wrote on 11/05/2006 11:31:33: > Pardon me, I'm not entirely sure what your answer is because the=20 > websites you gave me have examples of both using and not using komadai= =20 > and/or piece boxes. >=20 > Sorry if I'm persistent with my questions. >=20 > Perhaps a simple yes or no answer would clear things up. >=20 > Again, my question is: Again, my question is: If I'm playing on a=20 > tabletop board, can I also not use any komadai or piece container, and= =20 > just put the captured pieces on the table, within an area next to the=20 > board? >=20 >=20 > fabien.osmont teambridge ch wrote: > > See the guy on the right side, here:=20 > > http://shogi.alsace.free.fr/images/photos/tourn05/daniel_eddy.jpg > > And here: http://shogi.alsace.free.fr/images/photos/tourn05/gedda.jpg > >=20 > > I think you have confirmation of my answer. > >=20 > > Rgds > > Fabien > >=20 > > Aquinaswannabe hotmail com wrote on 11/05/2006 09:25:19: > >=20 > > > Wait, the photos you show show people using Komadai and/or piece=20 boxes.=20 > > > Again, my question is: If I'm playing on a tabletop board, can I=20 also=20 > > > not use any komadai or piece container, and just put the captured=20 pieces=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > > on the table, within an area next to the board? > > >=20 > > > fabien.osmont teambridge ch wrote: > > > > That's actually what is generally done during amateur games. > > > > For example, you can see the lastest Colmar tournament here:=20 > > > > http://shogi.alsace.free.fr/ephotos05.htm > > > >=20 > > > > Aquinaswannabe hotmail com wrote on 11/05/2006 05:13:28: > > > >=20 > > > > > If I'm playing on a tabletop board, can I also not use any=20 komadai=20 > > or=20 > > > > > piece container, and just put the captured pieces on the table,= =20 > > within=20 > > > > > an area next to the board? > > > > >=20 > > > > > Adam wrote: > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Hallo, > > > > > > it's hollow part down indeed. Using piece container as komadai= =20 > > photo=20 > > > > may=20 > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > be seen on http://www.shogi.sk/pub/2.jpg > > > > > > In case you didn't read it yet, imho interesting article(s)=20 about=20 > > > > shogi=20 > > > > > > have been published in Japan foundation newsletter (Shogi in= =20 the=20 > > > > > > Limelight,=20 http://www.jpf.go.jp/e/publish/jfn/pdf/jfn26_5.pdf). > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > I wonder where my $HOME is > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Aquinaswannabe hotmail com wrote: > > > > > > > When you use the top and bottom of the piece container as=20 > > komadai,=20 > > > > do=20 > > > > > > > you place the part of the piece container so that the hollow= =20 > > part=20 > > > > faces=20 > > > > > > > downward? (Sorry for being over-specific). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Woody Allen wrote: > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >> Hi, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> One can play the game without using actual komadai in=20 casual=20 > > games. > > > > > > >> But there are important manners. > > > > > > >> 1. One has to show all the pieces that one captured. > > > > > > >> 2. Don't reverse pieces that one captured. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> In my case, when I don't have komadai, I use the top part= =20 and=20 > > the=20 > > > > bottom=20 > > > > > > >>=20 > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> part of the pieces container as komadai. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Allen (a Japanese shogi fan) > > > > > > >> http://w1allen.wordpress.com/ > > > > > > >> ---If there is something wrong or unclear, please inform me= =20 > > it.--- > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----=20 > > > > > > >> From: hotmail com> > > > > > > >> To: topica com> > > > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:02 PM > > > > > > >> Subject: Playing without komadai > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I'm sorry if I'm being too particular with the minor=20 details of=20 > > the > > > > > > >> game. Rest assured that I love the game itself very much,= =20 and=20 > > is=20 > > > > why > > > > > > >> I'm drawn to ask these questions in the first place. I'm= =20 also=20 > > > > trying to > > > > > > >> learn the details of etiquettes and accessories of the=20 game. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Can one play the game without using actual komadai? If so,= =20 > > where=20 > > > > does > > > > > > >> one put the pieces if he plays without komadai? --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: = shogi-l shogi net EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a2i6Ys.= bnuqMa.= c2hvZ2kt Or send an email to: shogi-unsubscribe topica com For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=3DTEXFOOTER --^---------------------------------------------------------------- --=_alternative 00362D85C125716B_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Answer is then, to my mind, yes you can put your pieces directly on the table without disturbing the rules and your oponent. If you are playing on a floor, you can even put them on the floor.
On the pictures, you actually see pe= ople NOT putting pieces on a komadai or anything else. That's what I wanted to illustrate and though you were able to notice it.

Hope it'll help you to find a way to= play Shogi. Playing is probably the most important of all :-)

Rgds
Fab

Aquinaswannabe hotmail com wrote on 11/05/2006 11:31= :33: > Pardon me, I'm not entirely sure what your answer is because the > websites you gave me have examples of both using and not using komadai= > and/or piece boxes. > > Sorry if I'm persistent with my questions. > > Perhaps a simple yes or no answer would clear things up. > > Again, my question is: Again, my question is: If I'm playing on a > tabletop board, can I also not use any komadai or piece container, and > just put the captured pieces on the table, within an area next to the > board? > > > fabien.osmont teambridge ch wrote: > > See the guy on the right side, here: > > http://shogi.alsace.free.fr/images/photos/tourn05/daniel_eddy.jpg= > > And here: http://shogi.alsace.free.fr/images/photos/tourn05/gedda= .jpg > > > > I think you have confirmation of my answer. > > > > Rgds > > Fabien > > > > Aquinaswannabe hotmail com wrote on 11/05/2006 09:25:19: > > > > > Wait, the photos you show show people using Komadai and/or piece boxes. > > > Again, my question is: If I'm playing on a tabletop board, can I also > > > not use any komadai or piece container, and just put the captured pieces > > > > > > > > on the table, within an area next to the board? > > > > > > fabien.osmont teambridge ch wrote: > > > > That's actually what is generally done during amateur games. > > > > For example, you can see the lastest Colmar tournament here: > > > > http://shogi.alsace.free.fr/ephotos05.htm > > > > > > > > Aquinaswannabe hotmail com wrote on 11/05/2006 05:13:28= : > > > > > > > > > If I'm playing on a tabletop board, can I also not use any komadai > > or > > > > > piece container, and just put the captured pieces on the table, > > within > > > > > an area next to the board? > > > > > > > > > > Adam wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hallo, > > > > > > it's hollow part down indeed. Using piece container as komadai > > photo > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > be seen on http://www.shogi.sk/pub/2.jpg > > > > > > In case you didn't read it yet, imho interest= ing article(s) about > > > > shogi > > > > > > have been published in Japan foundation newsl= etter (Shogi in the > > > > > > Limelight, http://www.jpf.go.jp/e/publish/jfn= /pdf/jfn26_5.pdf). > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > I wonder where my $HOME is > > > > > > > > > > > > Aquinaswannabe hotmail com wrote: > > > > > > > When you use the top and bottom of the piece container as > > komadai, > > > > do > > > > > > > you place the part of the piece containe= r so that the hollow > > part > > > > faces > > > > > > > downward? (Sorry for being over-sp= ecific). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Woody Allen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> One can play the game without using actual komadai in casual > > games. > > > > > > >> But there are important manners. = > > > > > > >> 1. One has to show all the pieces that one captured. > > > > > > >> 2. Don't reverse pieces that one captured. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> In my case, when I don't have komada= i, I use the top part and > > the > > > > bottom > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> part of the pieces container as komadai. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Allen (a Japanese shogi fan) > > > > > > >> http://w1allen.wordpress.com/ > > > > > > >> ---If there is something wrong or unclear, please inform me > > it.--- > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >> From: <Aquinaswannabe hotmail com= > > > > > > > >> To: <shogi topica com> > > > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:02 PM > > > > > > >> Subject: Playing without komadai = > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I'm sorry if I'm being too particula= r with the minor details of > > the > > > > > > >> game. Rest assured that I love the game itself very much, and > > is > > > > why > > > > > > >> I'm drawn to ask these questions in the first place. I'm also > > > > trying to > > > > > > >> learn the details of etiquettes and accessories of the game. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Can one play the game without using actual komadai? If so, > > where > > > > does > > > > > > >> one put the pieces if he plays witho= ut komadai? --=_alternative 00362D85C125716B_=--