From: Larry Kaufman comcast net> Date: 22 feb 2006 Subject: Re: bonanza Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Packet8 Digital Phones Service can save you up to $999 annually on your phone bill! First Month Free! Free Activation! Save $110 instantly. Wow. 1-877-868-1135 http://click.topica.com/= caaer6la2i6YsbnuqMaa/ TMONE ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "bogin" yahoo co jp> To: topica com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:17 PM Subject: Re: bonanza Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Shopping for a new car? Pay 2-3% below invoice on a new car of your choice. Save thousands with our free car discount finder service! http://click.topica.com/caaerMma2i6Ysa7fLLna/Dealix ------------------------------------------------------------------- Sounds like a very strong program. Does anyone still have the link where you can get download it? Just search for Bonanza shogi. By the way, when you say pro 1 Dan and pro 2 Dan are you refering to female pros? There are no male 1 or 2 Dan pros. No, I mean male 1 or 2 Dan pros. It's true that they are not full pros= =20 yet, still in the Shoreikai, but those are still Pro ranks, which go as low= =20 as 7 kyu. They only become pros when they are promoted to 4 dan out of the Shoreikai. However, I think female pros begin at 2 kyu. Regadless, it sounds quite strong. Bill Gaudry Larry Kaufman --- Larry Kaufman comcast net> =1B$B$+$i$N%a%C%;!<%8!'=1B(B > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Packet8 Digital Phones Service can save you up to > $999 annually on your phone bill! First Month Free! > Free Activation! Save $110 instantly. Wow. 1-877-868-1135 > http://click.topica.com/caaer6la2i6Ysa7fLJaa/ TMONE > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Perhaps you missed all the emails a few months ago about Bonanza. > In > Japan the computer shogi people told me that Bonanza was considered > to be on > the same level as the top four programs in the computer shogi > tournaments, > but that it was very different from the others, in that it is > patterned > after chess programs much more so than the other programs. They > explained > that when the pc ran at much slower speeds a decade ago this approach > was > not competitive, but at current pc speeds it is. This was confirmed > when a > kyu player told me that he was able to win about one out of three or > four > games from Bonanza, but it turned out that he was running it on a ten > year > old computer. > Since the top pc shogi programs have SC24 ratings in the 2400 > vicinity, > presumably Bonanza would also have such a rating on a fast pc, which > corresponds to five Dan on their scale and probably to six Dan in > most shogi > clubs. I think it's about equal to Pro 1 or 2 Dan. > My own experience is that if I leave it on the default of 5" per > move, > but take plenty of time myself, I can sometimes win, but if I give it > 30" > per move and play about that speed myself, I have hardly any chance. > Mr. > Yoshinari, our local Japanese amateur 4 Dan, plays it often on the 5" > level > (taking perhaps three or four times that himself), and wins about one > out of > ten. > So I guess this all agrees with your experience. > > Larry Kaufman > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Chiaki Ito" mail com> > To: topica com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:57 AM > Subject: bonanza > > > > dear guys > > > > hi. just a quick question. do you guys know anything about the > strength > > of a program called bonanza? will it compete in the computer shogi > > > championship? i played it several times but it is quite good. got > to > > play many times to beat it. hahaha. > > > > best > > > > chiaki ito > > > > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Shopping for a new car? > Pay 2-3% below invoice on a new car of your choice. > Save thousands with our free car discount finder service! > http://click.topica.com/caaerMma2i6Ysa7fLJaf/Dealix > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -------------------------------------- GANBARE! 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