From: bogin yahoo co jp> Date: 10 nov 2005 Subject: Re: Japanese Elo-Rating Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- New Apple=AE iPod=AE nano. As Thin as a No. 2 Pencil. Stores up to 3=20 Days of Songs! Get it Here FREE*! http://click.topica.com/= caaeatBa2i6YsbnuqMaa/Superb Rewards=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- You're right there is a Ray Kaufman listed as # 4983 with a rating of 1435.= Bill Gaudry --- Larry Kaufman comcast net> =1B$B$+$i$N%a%C%;!<%8!'=1B(B > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Oprah vs Dr. Phil- who is your favorite? Vote now. > http://click.topica.com/caaeatsa2i6Ysa7fLJaa/Your opinion > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Yes, that is I, but that's my rating from six years ago, when I > last=20 > played on the Tokyo Amateur rating system before last month. My new > rating=20 > should be somewhat higher, but still in the 1500s. My son Raymond > should=20 > also be on the old list in the lower 1400s, also from six years ago. > The=20 > ratings move slowly, because you only get 12 points for beating an > equal=20 > player. Also, you often either get paired way down, and only get a > few=20 > points when you win, or way up, which means a nearly certain loss. So > one=20 > needs a lot of games to get an accurate rating on their system; > roughly=20 > forty games should do it. Some players on their list have thousands > of=20 > games, even over 5,000! >=20 > Larry Kaufman >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "bogin" yahoo co jp> > To: topica com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: Japanese Elo-Rating >=20 >=20 > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Oprah vs Dr. Phil- who is your favorite? Vote now. > http://click.topica.com/caaeatsa2i6Ysa7fLLna/Your opinion > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Mr. Kaufman, >=20 > It looks like there is at least one non-Japanese person on the lists > you > mention. That person's name is the only one written using Katakana > letters > (which are commonly used for foreign names). However, it is quite > possible > that there may be some Chinese and Korean players or other > non-Japanese > players of Japanese descent on the list as well. It would be hard to > figure > out who they are if they use Kanji characters for their names. >=20 > Anyway, the non-Japanese name I saw is ranked #2366 with a rating of > 1515 > at 12 games played. Actually, I think this may be you since the > katakana > spelling seems similiar to what might be used for your name. >=20 > It can be Riley Kauf but it could also be Larry Kaufman. The name > looks > abreviated due to space limitation. More than likely your last name > requires more characters than they could fit in. Not saying it is you > but > it could be. >=20 > Bill Gaudry >=20 > --- Larry Kaufman comcast net> =1B$B$+$i$N%a%C%;!<%8!'=1B(B > > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > New Apple=1B$B!&=1B(BiPod=1B$B!&=1B(Bnano. As Thin as a No. 2 Pencil. S= tores up to 3 > > Days of Songs! Get it Here FREE*! > > http://click.topica.com/caaeatBa2i6Ysa7fLJaa/Superb Rewards > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I note that the list shows Segawa has only played 87 rated > > games, > > whereas most of those above him have played hundreds. Since he had > to > > work > > his way up from 1500, this probably accounts for his relatively > > "poor" > > standing. I played the fifth-ranked Pro 3 Dan in a rated game last > > month, > > and his rating was also in the low 1900s. This gives you some idea > of > > how > > strong are the players on this rating list. > > The lower ratings vs. Japan Amateur Shogi Association don't > > imply a > > "different system", just lower starting ratings. Roughly speaking > > just add > > 500 to Tokyo Ama ratings for comparison. > > By the way, Japanese characters don't show up on my computer > (or > > on the > > computers of many of our subscribers), so we can't read the names > on > > this > > list. Whenever the new list comes out, could you possibly list any > > non-Japanese names on the list with the ratings for us? If so, > thanks > > in > > advance. > > > > Larry Kaufman > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Richard Sams" parkcity ne jp> > > To: topica com> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:26 AM > > Subject: Re: Japanese Elo-Rating > > > > > > It is interesting to note that Segawa is only ranked 27th in this > > list, > > with a rating of 1940. In the list of the Japan Amateur Shogi > > Association, Segawa is ranked 7th with a rating of 2407 (the > highest > > rating is 2477), so presumably they use a different system. > > > > Richard Sams > > > > > > On 2005/11/08, at 13:58, Larry Kaufman wrote: > > > > > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > FREE DVR > > > And up to 3 additional standard receivers! > > > Call 1-800- 901 - 5080 Today > > > http://click.topica.com/caaeas1a2i6YsbqdEI9a/DirectSatTV > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > http://homepage2.nifty.com/toushouren/rankingtop.htm > > > > > > This is the page for the rating list of the Tokyo Amateur > Shogi > > > > > Association (I may not have the name exactly right.). They use > > pretty much > > > the same Elo system as FESA or ShogiDojo or Japanese Amateur > > Renmei, > > > except the ratings move a bit slower than ShogiDojo since they > use > > 12 per > > > win +/- 3% instead of 16 and 4%. Also they start everyone at 1500 > > so the > > > ratings are lower than on the other systems, since the average > > player on > > > their system is probably at least 3 Dan by normal standards. The > > top > > > players on this system (Amateur title-holders and Shoreikai 3 Dan > > pros) > > > are rated in the 1900-2000 range. Several western players > (myself, > > my son > > > Raymond, the French player Nguyen, and the Icelander Jensson, at > > least) > > > should appear on their next rating list. > > > > > > Larry Kaufman > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jochen Drechsler" > > web de> > > > To: topica com> > > > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:45 AM > > > Subject: Japanese Elo-Rating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > in the latest e-mails I heard you talk (!?) about the Japanese > > Amateur > > > Shogi > > > Federation and Tokyo Amateur Shogi Association. It also sounds > as > > if they > > > use a elo rating system. > > > Can you show me a link to their homepage? > > > Do they use an rating-system similar to the FESA elo-system? > > > If yes, were can I find rating list? And how do those ratings > > correspond > > > to the FESA rating? > > > > > > Jochum. > > > > > > > > > shogi topica com schrieb am 07.11.05 15:28:45: > > >> > > >> Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> Oprah vs Dr. Phil- who is your favorite? Vote now. > > >> http://click.topica.com/caaeatsa2i6Ysa7fLJJa/Your opinion > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > >> Two comments: I don't understand the talk about a "gap" > > between > > >> amateurs and pros. Obviously pros are much stronger on average > > than > > >> amateurs, even amateurs who participate in national > championships. > > But it > > >> is > > >> also clear that there is some overlap, i.e. that the top few > > amateurs are > > >> stronger than the weaker pros. It is the same in chess: some > > players > > >> without > > >> an international title are stronger than some who have it, but > > none > > >> without > > >> it are as strong as the title contenders. > > >> Second point: Of course it is obvious that there is no > > non-Japanese > > >> player who is even remotely close to Pro strength. With the > > various > > >> rating > > >> systems we have now (Shogi Club 24, Pan-Atlantic, Japanese > Amateur > > Shogi > > >> Federation, Tokyo Amateur Shogi Association, etc.) it is quite > > clear how > > >> far > > >> any particular individual is from pro strength, and currently no > > one is > > >> closer than about a bishop handicap from the lower pro levels. > The > > > > >> question > > >> is, if some westerner, presumably a top-level chess player, > makes > > the > > >> switch > > >> to shogi and demonstrates that his level is indeed on a par with > > average > > >> c2 > > >> class pros, but he is over the 20 year age limit to join > > Shoreikai, what > > >> would be done for him (or her)? > > >> At the minimum, I believe that the Renmei would let him > join > > the > > >> Shoreikai if he were still under age 30. Otherwise, if he > > demonstrated > > >> similar results to Segawa, don't you think that a similar test > > would be > > >> arranged? I know it's all highly hypothetical, but it's not > > totally > > >> unreasonable to imagine a young grandmaster making the switch > and > > >> reaching > > >> pro strength. > > >> > > >> Larry Kaufman > > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! > > > Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=3D021193 > > > > > > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > So Much Television, Such Little Time! In Love with Lost(TM) or > > > Devoted to Desperate Housewives(TM)? 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