From: Richard Sams parkcity ne jp> Date: 8 nov 2005 Subject: Re: Japanese Elo-Rating Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Need a new Cell Phone? A BlackBerry 7250 could be yours free! Find=20 out how! http://click.topica.com/= caaeatua2i6YsbnuqMaa/Amazing phone ------------------------------------------------------------------- It is interesting to note that Segawa is only ranked 27th in this list,=20 with a rating of 1940. In the list of the Japan Amateur Shogi=20 Association, Segawa is ranked 7th with a rating of 2407 (the highest=20 rating is 2477), so presumably they use a different system. Richard Sams On 2005/11/08, at 13:58, Larry Kaufman wrote: > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > FREE DVR > And up to 3 additional standard receivers! > Call 1-800- 901 - 5080 Today > http://click.topica.com/caaeas1a2i6YsbqdEI9a/DirectSatTV > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://homepage2.nifty.com/toushouren/rankingtop.htm > > This is the page for the rating list of the Tokyo Amateur Shogi=20 > Association (I may not have the name exactly right.). They use pretty=20 > much the same Elo system as FESA or ShogiDojo or Japanese Amateur=20 > Renmei, except the ratings move a bit slower than ShogiDojo since they= =20 > use 12 per win +/- 3% instead of 16 and 4%. Also they start everyone=20 > at 1500 so the ratings are lower than on the other systems, since the=20 > average player on their system is probably at least 3 Dan by normal=20 > standards. The top players on this system (Amateur title-holders and=20 > Shoreikai 3 Dan pros) are rated in the 1900-2000 range. Several=20 > western players (myself, my son Raymond, the French player Nguyen, and= =20 > the Icelander Jensson, at least) should appear on their next rating=20 > list. > > Larry Kaufman > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jochen Drechsler" web de> > To: topica com> > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:45 AM > Subject: Japanese Elo-Rating > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > in the latest e-mails I heard you talk (!?) about the Japanese Amateur= =20 > Shogi > Federation and Tokyo Amateur Shogi Association. It also sounds as if=20 > they use a elo rating system. > Can you show me a link to their homepage? > Do they use an rating-system similar to the FESA elo-system? > If yes, were can I find rating list? And how do those ratings=20 > correspond to the FESA rating? > > Jochum. > > > shogi topica com schrieb am 07.11.05 15:28:45: >> >> Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Oprah vs Dr. Phil- who is your favorite? Vote now. >> http://click.topica.com/caaeatsa2i6Ysa7fLJJa/Your opinion >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Two comments: I don't understand the talk about a "gap" between >> amateurs and pros. Obviously pros are much stronger on average than >> amateurs, even amateurs who participate in national championships.=20 >> But it is >> also clear that there is some overlap, i.e. that the top few amateurs= =20 >> are >> stronger than the weaker pros. It is the same in chess: some players=20 >> without >> an international title are stronger than some who have it, but none=20 >> without >> it are as strong as the title contenders. >> Second point: Of course it is obvious that there is no=20 >> non-Japanese >> player who is even remotely close to Pro strength. With the various=20 >> rating >> systems we have now (Shogi Club 24, Pan-Atlantic, Japanese Amateur=20 >> Shogi >> Federation, Tokyo Amateur Shogi Association, etc.) it is quite clear=20 >> how far >> any particular individual is from pro strength, and currently no one=20 >> is >> closer than about a bishop handicap from the lower pro levels. The=20 >> question >> is, if some westerner, presumably a top-level chess player, makes the= =20 >> switch >> to shogi and demonstrates that his level is indeed on a par with=20 >> average c2 >> class pros, but he is over the 20 year age limit to join Shoreikai,=20 >> what >> would be done for him (or her)? >> At the minimum, I believe that the Renmei would let him join the >> Shoreikai if he were still under age 30. Otherwise, if he demonstrated >> similar results to Segawa, don't you think that a similar test would=20 >> be >> arranged? I know it's all highly hypothetical, but it's not totally >> unreasonable to imagine a young grandmaster making the switch and=20 >> reaching >> pro strength. >> >> Larry Kaufman >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! > Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=3D021193 > > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > So Much Television, Such Little Time! In Love with Lost(TM) or > Devoted to Desperate Housewives(TM)? Take our premier week > survey, complete our offers, and get a FREE* DVD set of either > show! > http://click.topica.com/caaeatAa2i6Ysa7fLLnf/Viewer Survey > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > New Apple=AE iPod=AE nano. 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