From: bogin yahoo co jp> Date: 8 nov 2005 Subject: Re: Japanese Elo-Rating Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Is your computer freezing up or slowing down? Repair corrupt files and harmful errors - protect your PC Take a 2-minute PC health check-up at no charge! http://click.topica.com/= caaeatra2i6YsbnuqMaa/PC PowerScan ------------------------------------------------------------------- The Japanese Amateur Associations Homepage is here. http://www.amaren.com/ It is only in Japanese. You can find information about their ratings there. Maybe if you email them= they will answer you back in English. Bill Gaudry --- Jochen Drechsler web de> =1B$B$+$i$N%a%C%;!<%8!'=1B(B > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Need a new Cell Phone? A BlackBerry 7250 could be yours free! Find=20 > out how! > http://click.topica.com/caaeatua2i6Ysa7fLJaa/Amazing phone > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 > Dear all, >=20 > in the latest e-mails I heard you talk (!?) about the Japanese > Amateur Shogi=20 > Federation and Tokyo Amateur Shogi Association. It also sounds as if > they use a elo rating system. > Can you show me a link to their homepage? > Do they use an rating-system similar to the FESA elo-system? > If yes, were can I find rating list? And how do those ratings > correspond to the FESA rating? >=20 > Jochum. >=20 >=20 > shogi topica com schrieb am 07.11.05 15:28:45: > >=20 > > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Oprah vs Dr. Phil- who is your favorite? Vote now. > > http://click.topica.com/caaeatsa2i6Ysa7fLJJa/Your opinion > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >=20 > > Two comments: I don't understand the talk about a "gap" > between=20 > > amateurs and pros. Obviously pros are much stronger on average than >=20 > > amateurs, even amateurs who participate in national championships. > But it is=20 > > also clear that there is some overlap, i.e. that the top few > amateurs are=20 > > stronger than the weaker pros. It is the same in chess: some > players without=20 > > an international title are stronger than some who have it, but none > without=20 > > it are as strong as the title contenders. > > Second point: Of course it is obvious that there is no > non-Japanese=20 > > player who is even remotely close to Pro strength. With the various > rating=20 > > systems we have now (Shogi Club 24, Pan-Atlantic, Japanese Amateur > Shogi=20 > > Federation, Tokyo Amateur Shogi Association, etc.) it is quite > clear how far=20 > > any particular individual is from pro strength, and currently no > one is=20 > > closer than about a bishop handicap from the lower pro levels. The > question=20 > > is, if some westerner, presumably a top-level chess player, makes > the switch=20 > > to shogi and demonstrates that his level is indeed on a par with > average c2=20 > > class pros, but he is over the 20 year age limit to join Shoreikai, > what=20 > > would be done for him (or her)? > > At the minimum, I believe that the Renmei would let him join > the=20 > > Shoreikai if he were still under age 30. Otherwise, if he > demonstrated=20 > > similar results to Segawa, don't you think that a similar test > would be=20 > > arranged? I know it's all highly hypothetical, but it's not totally >=20 > > unreasonable to imagine a young grandmaster making the switch and > reaching=20 > > pro strength. > >=20 > > Larry Kaufman > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! > Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=3D021193 >=20 > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > So Much Television, Such Little Time! In Love with Lost(TM) or=20 > Devoted to Desperate Housewives(TM)? Take our premier week=20 > survey, complete our offers, and get a FREE* DVD set of either=20 > show! > http://click.topica.com/caaeatAa2i6Ysa7fLJaf/Viewer Survey > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 -------------------------------------- Yahoo! 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