From: Jochen Drechsler web de> Date: 07 nov 2005 Subject: Japanese Elo-Rating Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Need a new Cell Phone? A BlackBerry 7250 could be yours free! Find=20 out how! http://click.topica.com/= caaeatua2i6YsbnuqMaa/Amazing phone ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear all, in the latest e-mails I heard you talk (!?) about the Japanese Amateur Shog= i=20 Federation and Tokyo Amateur Shogi Association. It also sounds as if they = use a elo rating system. Can you show me a link to their homepage? Do they use an rating-system similar to the FESA elo-system? If yes, were can I find rating list? And how do those ratings correspond to= the FESA rating? Jochum. shogi topica com schrieb am 07.11.05 15:28:45: >=20 > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Oprah vs Dr. Phil- who is your favorite? Vote now. > http://click.topica.com/caaeatsa2i6Ysa7fLJJa/Your opinion > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Two comments: I don't understand the talk about a "gap" between=20 > amateurs and pros. Obviously pros are much stronger on average than=20 > amateurs, even amateurs who participate in national championships. But it= is=20 > also clear that there is some overlap, i.e. that the top few amateurs are= =20 > stronger than the weaker pros. It is the same in chess: some players with= out=20 > an international title are stronger than some who have it, but none witho= ut=20 > it are as strong as the title contenders. > Second point: Of course it is obvious that there is no non-Japanese= =20 > player who is even remotely close to Pro strength. With the various ratin= g=20 > systems we have now (Shogi Club 24, Pan-Atlantic, Japanese Amateur Shogi= =20 > Federation, Tokyo Amateur Shogi Association, etc.) it is quite clear how = far=20 > any particular individual is from pro strength, and currently no one is= =20 > closer than about a bishop handicap from the lower pro levels. The questi= on=20 > is, if some westerner, presumably a top-level chess player, makes the swi= tch=20 > to shogi and demonstrates that his level is indeed on a par with average = c2=20 > class pros, but he is over the 20 year age limit to join Shoreikai, what= =20 > would be done for him (or her)? > At the minimum, I believe that the Renmei would let him join the=20 > Shoreikai if he were still under age 30. Otherwise, if he demonstrated= =20 > similar results to Segawa, don't you think that a similar test would be= =20 > arranged? I know it's all highly hypothetical, but it's not totally=20 > unreasonable to imagine a young grandmaster making the switch and reachin= g=20 > pro strength. >=20 > Larry Kaufman > ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=3D021193 Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- So Much Television, Such Little Time! In Love with Lost(TM) or=20 Devoted to Desperate Housewives(TM)? Take our premier week=20 survey, complete our offers, and get a FREE* DVD set of either=20 show! http://click.topica.com/= caaeatAa2i6YsbnuqMaf/Viewer Survey ------------------------------------------------------------------- --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: = shogi-l shogi net EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a2i6Ys.= bnuqMa.= c2hvZ2kt Or send an email to: shogi-unsubscribe topica com For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=3DTEXFOOTER --^----------------------------------------------------------------