From: cangaru web de Date: 21 jul 2005 Subject: Re: About Mr. Matsumoto (was: WOSC 2005, results and rating results) Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Get up to $1500.00 Fast and Easy! No Credit Checks! No Paper Hassles! Nothing To Fax! Apply Online and We'll Contact You Within the Hour! http://click.topica.com/= caadHk7a2i6YsbnuqMaa/911PaydayAdvance ------------------------------------------------------------------- OK, thank you. There's not much point of speculating about Mr. Masumoto's s= trength, and I hope I didn't make him feel uncomfortable by making him topi= c of this discussion. However, in case anyone is interested in gambling, I'= m willing to bet a lot of money that he will gain a lot of points in the to= urnaments to come :) Come to think of it, does someone know whether there is any tradition of be= tting on the outcome of professional shogi matches in Japan? Goodbye to all, Andi shogi topica com schrieb am 21.07.05 14:20:11: >=20 > Dear friends, >=20 > Sorry for inserting my message... >=20 > I saw tournament list in row with Mr. Matsumoto. > By the way he have only 3 points, but in table him set 4 points. Why? > He played next games: >=20 > 44 Masumoto, Katsumi JP 2k 1700=20=20 > 45 Bilousov, Valentyn UA 9k 1006 1-0 1 > 39 Stuifbergen, Jan NL 4k 1343 0-1 1 > 33 Skotnicki, Rikard SE 8k 1001 0-1 1 > 53 Frey, Vincent FR 13k 724 1-0 2 > 50 Greben, Kees NL 8k 1060 1-0 3 > 21 Pietz, Andreas DE 4k 1348 0-1 3 > Comment: last digit in row: number of points Matsumoto after current roun= d, 2nd last - result of > game Matsumoto against opponent. >=20 > He won against strongest opponent with rating 1060 and he lost aganst wea= kest opponent with rating > 1001. Therefore he must have real rating between 1001 and 1060. But he re= ceived rating 1122 after > played games that true may be. > I think that Andreas must not to fail about a little grow own rating. If = Andreas lost to Matsumoto > then we can to say that Mr. Sera and Mr. Pfaffel was true :) (with calcul= ating starting strength > of Mr. Matsumoto as 1700). >=20 > I seems that Asle calculated ratings true. >=20 > Best regards, > Yury Shpilev >=20 > --- Thomas Pfaffel hotmail com> wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > Dear Andi, > >=20 > > That Mr. Masumoto ist listed with Elo 1700 in all list except in the ra= ting=20 > > results has the following reason: Mr Masumoto started in round 4 and wa= s=20 > > registered by Mr. Sera. Mr Sera did not know exactly, how strong Mr.= =20 > > Masumoto is (he just said he is about 2 or 3 kyu). So i assigned him a= =20 > > rating of 1700 just for doing the pairings. > > As his real tournament performance was then lower than this 1700 points= , he=20 > > got a performance rating (1122). This performance rating is also what c= ounts=20 > > for you, if you played against him. > >=20 > > Best regards, > > Thomas Pfaffel > >=20 > > From: cangaru web de > > Reply-To: shogi topica com > > To: shogi topica com > > Subject: RE: WOSC 2005, results and rating results > > Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:48:55 +0000 > >=20 > >=20 > > Dear Thomas, dear Asle, > > thank you for your efforts in managing all the results! However, I have= > > a question: Mr. Masumoto is listed in all the lists at 1700 points, but= > > not in the rating list, where he is at 1122. Is this his performance > > rating? And am I right to suppose that it is this latter rating that wa= s > > used to calculate the rating changes of his opponents? Of course by now= > > you might have figured out where I'm coming from; I played a really nic= e > > game against him which I wouldn't be ashamed to take 20 points for :). > > However, there is a bit of altruism in it as well: Should he have to > > start his next tournament with 1122 points, he shall leave behind quite= > > a few disgruntled opponents, as he is beyond any reasonable doubt a hig= h > > level kyu player, just as most of the lists say. > >=20 > > Thanks a lot > > Andi (Andreas Pietz) > >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! 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