From: Thomas Pfaffel hotmail com> Date: 21 jul 2005 Subject: RE: About Mr. Matsumoto (was: WOSC 2005, results and rating results) Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Get a Free Sirius Satellite Package, don't pass on this! http://click.topica.com/= caadHlCa2i6YsbnuqMaa/ProductTestPanel ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Yury, He has 4 points because he was assigned a starting point as he entered the= =20 tournament after 3 rounds. We applied a rule for latecomers,we had the last time used in WOSC 2003: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------- Late entries receive 0 or 1 McMahon-like points as follows: Strength Entry after round (Elo-based) 1 2 3 ------------ - - - Top group 0 1 1 Middle group 0 0 1 Bottom group 0 0 0 To determine what strength group a latecomer belongs to all players that= =20 participate in round 1 of the ESC/WOSC are divided in three groups of equal= =20 size (ranked by Elo rating) and the latecomer is assigned a group (and=20 receives the corresponding points) on the basis of his own Elo rating. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------- So he received a bye in round 3, it avoided games against very weak players= ,=20 who have only 0 points after 3 rounds. Best regards, Thomas Pfaffel From: Yury Shpilev yahoo com> Reply-To: shogi topica com To: shogi topica com Subject: About Mr. Matsumoto (was: WOSC 2005, results and rating results) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Dear friends, Sorry for inserting my message... I saw tournament list in row with Mr. Matsumoto. By the way he have only 3 points, but in table him set 4 points. Why? He played next games: 44 Masumoto, Katsumi JP 2k 1700 45 Bilousov, Valentyn UA 9k 1006 1-0 1 39 Stuifbergen, Jan NL 4k 1343 0-1 1 33 Skotnicki, Rikard SE 8k 1001 0-1 1 53 Frey, Vincent FR 13k 724 1-0 2 50 Greben, Kees NL 8k 1060 1-0 3 21 Pietz, Andreas DE 4k 1348 0-1 3 Comment: last digit in row: number of points Matsumoto after current round,= =20 2nd last - result of game Matsumoto against opponent. He won against strongest opponent with rating 1060 and he lost aganst=20 weakest opponent with rating 1001. Therefore he must have real rating between 1001 and 1060. But he=20 received rating 1122 after played games that true may be. I think that Andreas must not to fail about a little grow own rating. If= =20 Andreas lost to Matsumoto then we can to say that Mr. Sera and Mr. Pfaffel was true :) (with=20 calculating starting strength of Mr. Matsumoto as 1700). I seems that Asle calculated ratings true. Best regards, Yury Shpilev --- Thomas Pfaffel hotmail com> wrote: > > Dear Andi, > > That Mr. Masumoto ist listed with Elo 1700 in all list except in the=20 rating > results has the following reason: Mr Masumoto started in round 4 and was= > registered by Mr. Sera. Mr Sera did not know exactly, how strong Mr. > Masumoto is (he just said he is about 2 or 3 kyu). So i assigned him a > rating of 1700 just for doing the pairings. > As his real tournament performance was then lower than this 1700 points,= =20 he > got a performance rating (1122). This performance rating is also what= =20 counts > for you, if you played against him. > > Best regards, > Thomas Pfaffel > > From: cangaru web de > Reply-To: shogi topica com > To: shogi topica com > Subject: RE: WOSC 2005, results and rating results > Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:48:55 +0000 > > > Dear Thomas, dear Asle, > thank you for your efforts in managing all the results! However, I have > a question: Mr. Masumoto is listed in all the lists at 1700 points, but > not in the rating list, where he is at 1122. Is this his performance > rating? And am I right to suppose that it is this latter rating that was= > used to calculate the rating changes of his opponents? Of course by now > you might have figured out where I'm coming from; I played a really nice= > game against him which I wouldn't be ashamed to take 20 points for :). > However, there is a bit of altruism in it as well: Should he have to > start his next tournament with 1122 points, he shall leave behind quite > a few disgruntled opponents, as he is beyond any reasonable doubt a high= > level kyu player, just as most of the lists say. > > Thanks a lot > Andi (Andreas Pietz) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!=20 http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ben & Jerry=92s=AE or H=E4agen-Dazs=AE? 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