From: bogin yahoo co jp> Date: 10 dec 2005 Subject: Re: November Tokyo Amatuer Ratings List Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Is your computer freezing up or slowing down? Repair corrupt files and harmful errors - protect your PC Take a 2-minute PC health check-up at no charge! http://click.topica.com/= caaegt3a2i6YsbnuqMaa/PC PowerScan ------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Kaufman, I only have the address I got from this site. It says the rating list is current as of November 1, 2005. Maybe you just need to refresh your page and then the new list will appear. I believe your rating is 1495. It went down 20 points since the last list. Your son's rating is also went down. I believe his rating is between 1419. I saw one other western looking name on the list. A Mr./Ms. Jenson. That person's rating is around 1505. The list has quite a lot of players so it is divided up into parts. I think= you are around 2600 on the list so that's the part you should check. Your son is on the next list after yours. Bill Gaudry --- Larry Kaufman comcast net> =1B$B$+$i$N%a%C%;!<%8!'=1B(B > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Make phone calls with phone service from Packet8.Order VoIP > today & get Free Activation, Free Equipment & First Month=20 > Free! Packet8 30-day money back guarantee. 1-877-868-1135 > http://click.topica.com/caaegt4a2i6Ysa7fLJaa/ TMONE > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > When I go to the address I listed previously, I get the same > list that=20 > has been up for a long time, which apparently does not have the > results of=20 > the western players who played there recently. Please tell me what > address=20 > you went to, and what ratings and number of games appeared to be of > western=20 > players (I had twelve games from many years ago). >=20 > Thanks, Larry > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "bogin" yahoo co jp> > To: topica com> > Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 2:24 AM > Subject: November Tokyo Amatuer Ratings List >=20 >=20 > Mr. Kaufman >=20 > Speaking of the Tokyo Amateur Rating List, the November list is up on > their > web page. I believe this includes the results from the games that you > mentioned below. >=20 > Bill Gaudry >=20 > --- Larry Kaufman comcast net> =1B$B$+$i$N%a%C%;!<%8!'=1B(B > > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Make phone calls with phone service from Packet8.Order VoIP > > today & get Free Activation, Free Equipment & First Month > > Free! Packet8 30-day money back guarantee. 1-877-868-1135 > > http://click.topica.com/caaegt4a2i6Ysa7fLJaa/ TMONE > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I would just like to add, regarding the Okachimachi Shogi > > Center, that > > on average as Martin says, "The strength of the players is a little > > above > > medium", but the number of extremely strong players is by far the > > highest of > > any club in the world. On just one day there, I was paired with a > > national > > title-holder in one game and a Professional 3 Dan in another! Also, > > the > > players have the option to play rated games (Tokyo Amateur rating > > system) > > with clocks, which several of us Westerners did. So, this is the > club > > I > > recommend to serious Dan-level players who want the maximum > > challenge. > > > > Larry Kaufman > > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "DANERUD MARTIN" comhem se> > > To: topica com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:49 PM > > Subject: Some comments about shogi dojos, clubs and centers in > Tokyo > > > > > > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Make phone calls with phone service from Packet8.Order VoIP > > today & get Free Activation, Free Equipment & First Month > > Free! Packet8 30-day money back guarantee. 1-877-868-1135 > > http://click.topica.com/caaegt4a2i6Ysa7fLLna/ TMONE > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Dear shogi friends, > > > > I have spent the last months in Tokyo, and there have been some > good > > occasions to play shogi. In this e-mail, I would like to summarize > my > > experiences from shogi dojos, clubs and centers in Tokyo, since I > > know > > that several visitors to Japan often like to enjoy their favourite > > game > > over the board in a genuine environment. > > I have mainly played at four different places, which I describe > > below: > > The shogi center at Shogi Kaikan in Sendaygaya > > How to go there? Get off at Sendagaya station on the JR Sobu line. > > Walk straight after leaving the station exit with a sports center > on > > your left-hand side. Continue straight even though the street turns > a > > little to the right. Then you will come to a shinto shrine. Turn > left > > and walk one hundred meters along the shrine area and then turn > > right, > > still following the shrine area. After 50 meters, you will find > Shogi > > Kaikan on your left-hand side. > > This place has a lot of advantages. There is the shop on the first > > floor with shogi sets, books, and everything and you can also find > > the > > editorial staff of Shogi Sekkai as well as the Nihon Shogi Renmei > > office and the professional shogi scene. The shogi center itself on > > 2F > > is nice and clean. Smoking is limited. In all shogi centers the > > players > > pay a daily fee of around 1000 yen. There are children and women > > among > > the players. Unfortunately, there are not so many players > regularly, > > just occasionally. > > The strength of the players is medium. The drawback is that if > there > > are few players, then it will be difficult to get opponents at your > > own > > level. > > Shinjuku Shogi Center > > How to go there? Get off at Shinjuku station and go out at the East > > Exit, Kabukichou exit. There you will see the big Studio Alta > screen. > > Walk straight, passing the Studio Alta screen on the left side, > until > > you reach a big street. Cross the street and turn to the right. You > > will then walk along the big street at the left-hand side walk. > > Continue until the end of the block and go to 5F just before a > Family > > Mart store. > > This place is big. There are always a lot of players from 10 a.m. > > until 12 p.m. However, the players are generally old with just a > > handful of players below 40. The shogi organisation is handled very > > well, but the general feeling is a little bit rough, not so fresh > and > > very smoky. > > The strength of the players is a little below medium, but on the > > other > > hand, every player with maximum 4-dan will always be paired with > > players of suitable strength, since there are always a lot of > players > > around. However, a decrease in the number of players can be noted > > compared to ten years ago. > > Okachimachi Shogi Center > > How to go there? Get off at Okachimachi station at the Yamanote > line > > and go out at the South Exit. Then turn left 180 degrees and follow > > the > > train tracks (on the outside of the station) around 50 meters and > you > > will find the center on 4F on your right-hand side. > > This place is relatively big. There are generally around 50 players > > until they close at 10 p.m. The players are old gentlemen with just > a > > few players below 40. The shogi organisation is a little more > > informal > > than at Shinjuku Shogi Center, but the place is nice, clean and > fresh > > with a Western style toilet (Westerners who have been in Tokyo know > > what I mean). > > The strength of the players is a little above medium. Most of the > > games are following opening theory longer than you will experience > > anywhere else, and the players keep good shape in their games. That > > makes the games more valuable, and the general attitude of the > > players > > is more analytical after the games than elsewhere. > > The local shogi club (in my case at Shin-Koiwa) > > How to go there? There are several smaller, local clubs in Tokyo. > > This > > particular club can be found by going to Shin-Koiwa station on the > > Sobu > > line and go out at the South exit. Then go left and cross a busy > > street > > by taking stairs up and down. Then just follow the street eastwards > > along the train tracks, and you will find the shogi club on the > left- > > hand side after 200 meters on 1F. The club is, typically, small > with > > around ten very regular players. The daily fee can be lower at > local > > clubs. > > The general structure of the local clubs, on the other hand, is > often > > similar. The playing strength is often very unevenly distributed. > > Often > > one player is dominating with around 4-dan. The rest of the players > > are > > weaker. The big advantage with the local club is of course the > > proximity to where you live. It is easy to sneak in and play for > just > > a > > few hours. The disadvantages are that there are often the same, few > > players and opening theory and good shape are seldomly seen. On the > > other hand, a glass of beer and a good joke are more common. > > > > Generally, in the era of shogi games with players from all over the > > world at the Internet and the access to relatively strong PC > > programs, > > the number of visitors to shogi centers and unfortunately also the > > number of shogi centers are decreasing. The visitors are also > ageing > > gradually. Many persons whom I have talked to say that they simply > > save > > money by staying at home and play shogi at the computer. With daily > > fees of around 1000 yen and travelling costs around 500 yen and > maybe > > the additional cost of dining out at a restaurant makes, not the > > occasional visit but the regular, in many cases daily, visits, > > expensive. > > On the positive side is of course the genuine environment, the nice > > atmosphere with either a good post-mortem analysis or a good laugh. > > My > > personal feeling is that all kind of Internet activities at home, > > however interesting, will make you tired in the end. One may also > be > > tired after playing shogi at shogi dojos, clubs and centers, but > > there > > are always new experiences and new impressions that will be > > stimulating > > and give some additional energy in the end. Thus, I definitely > > recommend a visit to a shogi center in Tokyo and some good games > over > > the board. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Martin Danerud > > > > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Is your computer freezing up or slowing down? > > Repair corrupt files and harmful errors - protect your PC > > Take a 2-minute PC health check-up at no charge! > > http://click.topica.com/caaegt3a2i6Ysa7fLLnf/PC PowerScan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Is your computer freezing up or slowing down? > > Repair corrupt files and harmful errors - protect your PC > > Take a 2-minute PC health check-up at no charge! > > http://click.topica.com/caaegt3a2i6Ysa7fLJaf/PC PowerScan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > -------------------------------------- > STOP HIV/AIDS. > Yahoo! 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