From: lkaufman comcast net Date: 09 aug 2005 Subject: Re: Non-standard handicap question --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17206_1123565108_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Is your computer freezing up or slowing down? Repair corrupt files and harmful errors - protect your PC Take a 2-minute PC health check-up at no charge! http://click.topica.com/= caadOuaa2i6YsbnuqMaa/PC PowerScan ------------------------------------------------------------------- Your list is pretty complete. Three piece can be either right or left,= but right is more common. Seven and nine piece are obvious intermediate st= eps between 6, 8, and 10 piece; I often use them, but they are not analyzed= in the joseki books. Right lance was used up to about a century ago; I'm n= ot clear as to whether it was considered less than left, or if the two were= just alternated or chosen by lot. Handicaps of gold, two golds, bishop and= lance, rook and silver, and rook and two lances have all been tried and/or= proposed, but I've never seen any games or analysis of them. Another idea = which I've tried, which is standard in the game of Middle Shogi, is to hand= icap by promoting pieces. For example, one rank could be starting with the = rook promoted, two ranks is bishop handicap, three is rook handicap, four i= s rook handicap with the rook promoted, five is rook and bishop, six is roo= k and bishop with the rook promoted, seven is rook and bishop with both pro= moted. But there is no mention in the literature of this, except in connect= ion with Middle Shogi. Finally, there is the three pawn game, for beginners. the beginner ha= s a full army, the pro has only king plus three pawns in hand, and the "no = double pawn" rule does not apply. This is more like a trick than a proper g= ame; if the novice defends the drops on the bishop's head correctly, he win= s. This is analyzed in some shogi books.=20 =20=20=20=20=20 Larry Kaufman -------------- Original message --------------=20 > Further question:=20 >=20 > What sort of non-standard handicaps are there (that=20 > have some history behind them)?=20 >=20 > Eight and 10-piece. Three piece. Right and left=20 > Silver. Right Lance used to be standard at one time,=20 > wasn't it?=20 >=20 > Any others?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ____________________________________________________=20 > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page=20 > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs=20 >=20 Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Need Emergency Cash? Get Up To $500 Now!=20 No Credit Checks, Easy & Fast Approval=20 Cash in you account Overnight! http://click.topica.com/= caadOura2i6YsbnuqMaf/911PaydayAdvance ------------------------------------------------------------------- --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: = shogi-l shogi net EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a2i6Ys.= bnuqMa.= c2hvZ2kt Or send an email to: shogi-unsubscribe topica com For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=3DTEXFOOTER --^---------------------------------------------------------------- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17206_1123565108_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = 
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     Your list is pretty complete. Three piece can= be either right or left, but right is more common. Seven and nine piece ar= e obvious intermediate steps between 6, 8, and 10 piece; I often use them, = but they are not analyzed in the joseki books. Right lance was used up to a= bout a century ago; I'm not clear as to whether it was considered less than= left, or if the two were just alternated or chosen by lot. Handicaps of go= ld, two golds, bishop and lance, rook and silver, and rook and two lances h= ave all been tried and/or proposed, but I've never seen any games or analys= is of them. Another idea which I've tried, which is standard in the game of= Middle Shogi, is to handicap by promoting pieces. For example, one rank co= uld be starting with the rook promoted, two ranks is bishop handicap, three= is rook handicap, four is rook handicap with the rook promoted, five is ro= ok and bishop, six is rook and bishop with the rook promoted, seven is rook= and bishop with both promoted. But there is no mention in the literature o= f this, except in connection with Middle Shogi.
      Finally, there is the three pawn game, = for beginners. the beginner has a full army, the pro has only king plus thr= ee pawns in hand, and the "no double pawn" rule does not apply. This is mor= e like a trick than a proper game; if the novice defends the drops on the b= ishop's head correctly, he wins. This is analyzed in some shogi books.
    
 
     Larry Kaufman
 
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> = Further question:
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> What sort of non-standard handicaps are= there (that
> have some history behind them)?
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> Eig= ht and 10-piece. Three piece. Right and left
> Silver. Right Lance u= sed to be standard at one time,
> wasn't it?
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> Any o= thers?
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