From: Eric macshogi com> Date: 1 sep 2004 Subject: Re: Results from Shogi ESC WOSC 2004 in Munich / Germany Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Save on inkjet and toner, and get free shipping on orders over $50. http://click.topica.com/= caacAsfa2i6YsbnuqMaa/Inksoutlet ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Thomas, > Ad 2: > You are right! There were really some strange pairings at the WOSC. > I also was paired once down one group although i was the strongest=20 > player of my group. > > The problem was in my opinion the used pairing program MacMahon, which= =20 > supports a kind of swiss pariing system, but no real swiss system. It=20 > works well for Mac mahon tournaments but not well for swiss systems. > > The program tries always to equalize the SOS-points of the players.=20 > So if there is an uneven number of players i one group, it pairs down=20 > the strongest player of a group (the player with the highest actual=20 > SOS-points) to the weakest player (!) of the next group. I unsderstand better. Equalizing SOS seems really strange. I have never=20 seen this before ! > This is quite unfair! It first punishes the stronger player (because=20 > you get for this round and probably also for the following rounds less= =20 > SOS-points ) and secondly produces a lot of uninteresting games=20 > (strong vs. weak player), You are completely right. > For the next ESC/WOSC a real swiss pairing program has to be used!!! But be careful about what you call a "real swiss pairing program", we=20 already have used a chess pairing program but it took colours into=20 account : this has already been a problem (the program tries to=20 alternate colours and prevents you to get the same colour for 3 games=20 in a row). Thanks for your mail Thomas. I know now that we are several to take=20 this problem seriously into account :-)) Marc will study this problem=20 as well. I hope that other will join us. I hope we will not find again previous pairing problems or previous=20 final tournaments tables unfairness. All the best, =C9ric ---------------- Study Shogi and read shogi reportages at http://eric.macshogi.com/ The first Mac OS X Shogi Database Program at http://www.macshogi.com/ Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- RE-GROW YOUR HAIR STARTING NOW.....Click here for more info! http://click.topica.com/= caacxyda2i6YsbnuqMaf/Medical Hair Restoration ------------------------------------------------------------------- --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: = shogi-l shogi net EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a2i6Ys.= bnuqMa.= c2hvZ2kt Or send an email to: shogi-unsubscribe topica com For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=3DTEXFOOTER --^----------------------------------------------------------------