From: E R webtv net> Date: 31 aug 2004 Subject: Re: Segawa Masashi --WebTV-Mail-27357-1952 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Save on inkjet and toner, and get free shipping on orders over $50. http://click.topica.com/= caacAsfa2i6YsbnuqMaa/Inksoutlet ------------------------------------------------------------------- He may no longer attain 4 Dan? Sounds different than go. I think that 7dan is the highest amateur rank and that professional dan is different from amateur dan--far stronger. Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Sponsor a child today through Children International.=20=20 Give a desperately poor child hope for a brighter future. 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Free Shipping on orders over $49. www.inksoutlet.com http://click.topica.com/= caacAsfa2i6Ysbn8jDxa/Inksoutlet ------------------------------------------------------------------- I think it should be pointed out that although Segawa is strictly=20 speaking an "amateur," he was 3-dan in the Shoreikai, but failed to=20 reach 4-dan (professional status) before he reached the age limit of=20 26. I also hear that he studies shogi together in a "kenkyukai"=20 together with professionals. Most professionals, I suspect, would not=20 view Segawa as a "pure amateur" (someone completely outside the=20 professional system). A shogi professional once told me that a 3-dan=20 shoreikai player could probably beat even an A-level player in 1 out of=20 10 games, so you could argue that, in Segawa's case, that one game came=20 first! Still, there is no denying that Segawa is very strong and=20 undoubtedly better than many professionals. Perhaps he was a "late=20 bloomer." Richard Sams On 2004.8.31, at 12:35 AM, bpricem wrote: > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Save up to 80% on Inkjet & Toner Supplies. 100% Satisfaction=20 > Guarantee. Free Shipping on orders over $49. www.inksoutlet.com > http://click.topica.com/caacAsfa2i6Ysa8oajxa/Inksoutlet > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > In Shukan Shogi, it is reported that an amateur won in the 1st round=20 > if the Ginga-sen Tournament. The only significance is that apparently=20 > it is the first time an amateur has beaten a current A-level player of= =20 > the Junisen (The Meijin Challenger League) in a public tournament at=20 > an even game and he did it with the Gote side.. > > Segawa, Masashi amateur defeated Kubo, Toshiaki 8-dan pro in that=20 > game. Kubo is ranked 8th on that ELO list. > > Bob > > Richard Sams wrote: > >> Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Save up to 80% on Inkjet & Toner Supplies. 100% Satisfaction=20 >> Guarantee. Free Shipping on orders over $49. www.inksoutlet.com >> http://click.topica.com/caacAsfa2i6Ysa7fLJda/Inksoutlet >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> On 2004.8.30, at 10:03 PM, Larry Kaufman wrote: >> >>> >>> Having looked at the list a bit more, two questions occurred to me.= =20 >>> #127 on the list seems to be the Japanese word for "amateur", but=20 >>> there is no name, so what does this mean? Also, #148 appears to=20 >>> start with the character for "woman" (my knowledge of Kanji is very=20 >>> limited, so forgive me if I'm wrong), so is this a lady's pro, and=20 >>> if so are any of the other players near the bottom of the list lady=20 >>> pros? >>> Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer. >>> Larry Kaufman >> >> >> >> There is an explanation below which says: "In this ratings list,=20 >> women professionals, shoreikai members, and amateurs are each=20 >> included in the rankings as one person." >> As you correctly point out, "amateur" is #127 and "women=20 >> professional" is #148. Shoreikai members (shoreikai-in) are #99 on=20 >> the list. >> >> I don't understand this very well - the ratings seem very high.=20 >> Perhaps only strong amateurs who play against professionals are taken= =20 >> into consideration. >> >> Richard Sams >> >> Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Buy Stocks and Index Funds for just $4 No Account or Investment=20 >> Minimums and No Inactivity Fees Automatically invest weekly or=20 >> monthly and build your future. >> http://click.topica.com/caacvgga2i6Ysa7fLJdf/Sharebuilder >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> > > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Need cash fast? Get a $500 CASH ADVANCE overnight! 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