From: Larry Kaufman comcast net> Date: 31 aug 2004 Subject: Re: Segawa Masashi Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Save on inkjet and toner, and get free shipping on orders over $50. http://click.topica.com/= caacAsfa2i6YsbnuqMaa/Inksoutlet ------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Kubu is rated 2994 on the Pro list, which is roughly the average o= f the A class pros on that list. The combined rated for Shoreikai players on that list is 2636, and presumably only 3 Dan players would qualify for Pro tournaments. If we use that rating for Mr. Segawa (as an ex-Shoreikai playe= r in a Pro tournament), rating theory says that he had 1 chance in 9 to win. Presumably the average Pro 3 Dan would be a bit weaker than the average of those who qualify for pro tournaments, so the estimate you quote of 1 chanc= e in ten against A class pros seems quite accurate. Larry Kaufman ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Richard Sams" parkcity ne jp> To: topica com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:30 PM Subject: Re: Segawa Masashi I think it should be pointed out that although Segawa is strictly speaking an "amateur," he was 3-dan in the Shoreikai, but failed to reach 4-dan (professional status) before he reached the age limit of 26. I also hear that he studies shogi together in a "kenkyukai" together with professionals. Most professionals, I suspect, would not view Segawa as a "pure amateur" (someone completely outside the professional system). A shogi professional once told me that a 3-dan shoreikai player could probably beat even an A-level player in 1 out of 10 games, so you could argue that, in Segawa's case, that one game came first! Still, there is no denying that Segawa is very strong and undoubtedly better than many professionals. Perhaps he was a "late bloomer." Richard Sams On 2004.8.31, at 12:35 AM, bpricem wrote: > In Shukan Shogi, it is reported that an amateur won in the 1st round > if the Ginga-sen Tournament. The only significance is that apparently > it is the first time an amateur has beaten a current A-level player of > the Junisen (The Meijin Challenger League) in a public tournament at > an even game and he did it with the Gote side.. > > Segawa, Masashi amateur defeated Kubo, Toshiaki 8-dan pro in that > game. Kubo is ranked 8th on that ELO list. > > Bob > Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Need cash fast? Get a $500 CASH ADVANCE overnight! Let=20 YourCashCentral get you the cash you need. http://click.topica.com/= caacxyca2i6YsbnuqMaf/MyOnlinePayday ------------------------------------------------------------------- --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: = shogi-l shogi net EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a2i6Ys.= bnuqMa.= c2hvZ2kt Or send an email to: shogi-unsubscribe topica com For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=3DTEXFOOTER --^----------------------------------------------------------------