From: bpricem <bpricem <at> gaea <dot> ocn <dot> ne <dot> jp>
Date: 28 aug 2004
Subject: Re: Elo ratings

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Hi Larry,

If you click on this link it explains how these calculations were done.=20
It is in Japanese but you can follow the math.

http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/t-higu/shogi/ex-rating.html

Bob

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>      Wow, this is really interesting! The ratings look quite plausible=
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> (relative to one another) at first glance, with Habu and Moriuchi at=20
> the top followed closely by Tanigawa. The spread between these three=20
> (on average) and the median Pro is just about 400 points, so if this=20
> site is accurate the value of "several" in my earlier post is "4".
>       Can you (or anyone else who reads Japanese) look at the site and=
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> tell us who is calculating the ratings and anything else that might be=
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> posted about how the calculations are done?
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>      Larry Kaufman
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>     Here is a Japanese pro rating site. I don't know the accuracy of it.
>
>     http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/t-higu/shogi/pro-rating.html
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>     Bob
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>>--- Larry Kaufman <lkaufman <at> comcast <dot> net> wrote:
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>>>We have an ELO rating system for shogi outside Japan, called the
>>>"Pan-Atlantic" rating system. 5 Dan is centered at 2340. My actual
>>>Pan-Atlantic shogi rating is 2354, ...
>>>
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>>>
>>For a description of the rating system and the most recent Pan-Atlantic
>>Elo list, please refer to the following pages:
>>
>>http://www.shogi.net/fesa/ratings.html
>>http://www.shogi.net/fesa/rating.intro
>>http://www.shogi.net/fesa/ratinglists/latest.txt
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Hi Larry,<br>
<br>
If you click on this link it explains how these calculations were done.
It is in Japanese but you can follow the math. <br>
<br>
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/t-higu/sh=
ogi/ex-rating.html">http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/t-higu/shogi/ex-rating.html</a><=
br>
<br>
Bob<br>
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  <div><strong><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Wow=
, this is really
interesting! The ratings look quite plausible (relative to one another)
at first glance, with Habu and Moriuchi at the top followed closely by
Tanigawa. The spread between these three (on average) and the median
Pro is just about 400 points, so if this site is accurate the value of
"several" in my earlier post is "4". </font></strong></div>
  <div>&nbsp;<font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <stro=
ng>Can you (or anyone
else who reads Japanese) look at the site and tell us who is
calculating the ratings and anything else that might be posted about
how the calculations are done?</strong></font></div>
  <div><strong></strong>&nbsp;</div>
  <div><strong><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lar=
ry Kaufman</font></strong></div>
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Here is a Japanese pro rating site. I don't know the accuracy of it.<br>
    <br>
    <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext"
 href=3D"http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/t-higu/shogi/pro-rating.html">http://www.hi=
-ho.ne.jp/t-higu/shogi/pro-rating.html</a><br>
    <br>
Bob<br>
    <br>
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        <pre wrap=3D"">We have an ELO rating system for shogi outside Japan=
, called the
"Pan-Atlantic" rating system. 5 Dan is centered at 2340. My actual
Pan-Atlantic shogi rating is 2354, ...

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      <pre wrap=3D""><!---->For a description of the rating system and the =
most recent Pan-Atlantic
Elo list, please refer to the following pages:

<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext"
 href=3D"http://www.shogi.net/fesa/ratings.html">http://www.shogi.net/fesa/=
ratings.html</a>
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext"
 href=3D"http://www.shogi.net/fesa/rating.intro">http://www.shogi.net/fesa/=
rating.intro</a>
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext"
 href=3D"http://www.shogi.net/fesa/ratinglists/latest.txt">http://www.shogi=
.net/fesa/ratinglists/latest.txt</a>

Enjoy!

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