From: Larry Kaufman <lkaufman <at> comcast <dot> net>
Date: 27 aug 2004
Subject: Re: Elo ratings

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     Wow, this is really interesting! The ratings look quite plausible (rel=
ative to one another) at first glance, with Habu and Moriuchi at the top fo=
llowed closely by Tanigawa. The spread between these three (on average) and=
 the median Pro is just about 400 points, so if this site is accurate the v=
alue of "several" in my earlier post is "4".=20
      Can you (or anyone else who reads Japanese) look at the site and tell=
 us who is calculating the ratings and anything else that might be posted a=
bout how the calculations are done?

     Larry Kaufman
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Here is a Japanese pro rating site. I don't know the accuracy of it.

  http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/t-higu/shogi/pro-rating.html

  Bob

  Pieter Stouten wrote:

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--- Larry Kaufman <lkaufman <at> comcast <dot> net> wrote:

  We have an ELO rating system for shogi outside Japan, called the
"Pan-Atlantic" rating system. 5 Dan is centered at 2340. My actual
Pan-Atlantic shogi rating is 2354, ...

    For a description of the rating system and the most recent Pan-Atlantic=

Elo list, please refer to the following pages:

http://www.shogi.net/fesa/ratings.html
http://www.shogi.net/fesa/rating.intro
http://www.shogi.net/fesa/ratinglists/latest.txt

Enjoy!

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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Wow, this=
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really interesting! The ratings look quite plausible (relative to one anoth=
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at first glance, with Habu and Moriuchi at the top followed closely by Tani=
gawa.=20
The spread between these three (on average) and the median Pro is just abou=
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"4". </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <STRONG>Can=
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--- Larry Kaufman <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=3D"mailto:lkaufman@=
comcast.net">&lt;lkaufman <at> comcast <dot> net&gt;</A> wrote:

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    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">We have an ELO rating system f=
or shogi outside Japan, called the
"Pan-Atlantic" rating system. 5 Dan is centered at 2340. My actual
Pan-Atlantic shogi rating is 2354, ...

    </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D""><!---->For a description of the ratin=
g system and the most recent Pan-Atlantic
Elo list, please refer to the following pages:

<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext href=3D"http://www.shogi.net/fesa/ratings.=
html">http://www.shogi.net/fesa/ratings.html</A>
<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext href=3D"http://www.shogi.net/fesa/rating.i=
ntro">http://www.shogi.net/fesa/rating.intro</A>
<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext href=3D"http://www.shogi.net/fesa/ratingli=
sts/latest.txt">http://www.shogi.net/fesa/ratinglists/latest.txt</A>

Enjoy!

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