From: E R webtv net> Date: 13 aug 2004 Subject: Re: Kanji-Less Shogi Sets = International Sets ? Where Available ? --WebTV-Mail-24968-684 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Need cash fast? Get a $500 CASH ADVANCE overnight! Let=20 YourCashCentral get you the cash you need. http://click.topica.com/= caacxyca2i6YsbnuqMaa/MyOnlinePayday ------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe I should agree if there were only one kind of kanji used. Why should I learn two? The former Marine did not recognize the one I had and told me that he could not play me with them. Do the Japanese want to keep the game Japanese? Why not have a set with lines showing the direction the piece moves or one with pictures. I was able to figure out what some of the pieces had to be but not all of them. You don't need to be able to read to recognize chess pieces. You should not need to be able to read hieroglyphics to play Shogi. If someone came up with a nice design carved into the wood as Shogi sets are (that is how it's done, right?) easily recognizable by folks who don't know kanji, do you think that it would catch on? Maybe replace or co-exist with the old Kanji-based sets? I have seen the Leggett book, btw. Am I the only one who feels this way? Thanks for the international set images, but IMO if one wants to replace the kanji then one ought to replace it with something better looking. Would that make it more acceptable? I suppose there is some culture clash here. The players who know much more than you--are they Japanese unwilling to have their game tampered with? 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Where Available ? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:42:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1728391779-1463792638-1092436971 boing topica com> Errors-To: boing topica com> Reply-To: shogi topica com X-Topica-Id: <1092436969.inmta006.24835.1855163> List-Help: topica com/> List-Unsubscribe: topica com> X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- RE-GROW YOUR HAIR STARTING NOW.....Click here for more info! http://click.topica.com/= caacxyda2i6Ysbn8jDxa/Medical Hair Restoration ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hunter Johnson wrote: > Pieces of both types are pictured on this page: > http://www.chessvariants.com/shogi.html > I don't know where you can get them I have got one set of "international" shogi pieces (similar to those in the= picture) from George Hodges. And I have some more flimsy ones which came in= the back of the introductory shogi book by Trevor Leggett (they have a nice= mixture of kanji + symbol, but are just printed on a sort of laminated thin= card). Also I have seen some pieces with an animal design (and I thought I once saw Martin post about some international-style pieces in Sweden, but I= may have remembered wrongly). Someone here must know whether George is still selling this sort of set (th= e set I got from him is very nice). His contact details are on the British Shogi Federation page (http://www.hollandnumerics.demon.co.uk/BSF.HTM). Personally I think that shogi could be a lot more popular if some sort of international type of pieces were more freely available (perhaps on sale at= chess congresses). I think that there are a lot of chess players who would really like shogi (for example those who like playing Bughouse) but are put= off by the appearance of the pieces. There are quite a few people who I hav= e taught to play who did not want to play with the kanji-based pieces. But I have been told before by other shogi players (who know much more abou= t the game than me) that people have to learn to play with the right pieces (and that it is not so hard anyway, and if people don't want to try that is= their problem). So who knows ... Paul Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Shop online for Discount Auto Parts: Mirrors Headlights Tail=20 Lights Bumpers Fenders Window Regulators Spoilers Altezza Lights=20 and a Full Line of Auto Body Parts. www.partstrain.com http://click.topica.com/= caacxyga2i6Ysbn8jDxf/Parts Train ------------------------------------------------------------------- --WebTV-Mail-24968-684--