From: bogin YAHOO CO JP> Date: 31 may 2003 Subject: Re: [ISC monthly game] May Results I believe you are right. I got the some of the files mixed up. Where I wrote 2f it should have been 8f and where I wrote 3g it should have been 7g and 1g should've been 9g, and 3c should've been 7c and so on. I got the left and right sides of the board mixed up. Sorry about that. Bill Gaudry --- Leonard Hirsch YAHOO COM> $B$+$i$N%a%C%;!<%8!' (B > Thank you for the analysis and the comments. It was > exciting to have such a win. > > In the post game analysis Mr Takodori ( I don't know > his real name) hypothesized that his initial rook > trade for the bishop may have been ill conceived since > his king was on the first file and the rook drop on > the first file was very dangerous in that case. > > In most of your move analysis where you were talking > of file 2 and 3, I'm sure you were talking about files > 7 and 8. > > The game was 15 minutes and then 1 minute byoyomi, so > I wouldn't analyze it too deeply. > > I don't want to say much about your comments as I'm > still a beginner. > > Thanks for the comments. > Leonard Hirsch > > > --- bogin YAHOO CO JP> wrote: > > Wow, that's was quite a win by Lenny H H rated only > > 884 over Takodori rated > > 1951. That's over 1000 points difference in Shogi > > Club 24 rating so it's > > really quite an upset. > > > > I looked at the game score and it was very sharp > > game. Especially, in the > > beginning. Despite his unorthodox castle (I believe > > it's called a Yonegawa > > Castle) Lenny H H seem to be doing OK and you would > > have never guessed that > > the rating difference was so great. > > > > There is a very famous shogi proverb that says when > > 2 pieces are being > > threatened at the same time sometimes the best thing > > to do is not to try > > and escape either capture but instead to try and > > find a better move. This > > game is an excellent example of that proverb in > > action. > > > > I am not sure why Takodori played 72. B4d. Lenny H H > > 's 71. N*4e forks both > > the silver on 5c and the bishop on 3c. 72. B4h saves > > the bishop but after > > 73. Nx5c+ 74. Bx5c white's bishop is horribly > > placed. It seems to me that > > either 72. Px2f or first 72. Bx2h+ followed by 74. > > Px2f would have been > > much better. > > > > Doe anyone have any other ideas on what to play > > here? > > > > Also, it seems that idea behind 88. P6e is to open > > up the other bishop for > > an attack on 1g or 2f. White must have been under > > time pressure because > > after 89. P8c+ 90. S*8b seems completely useless. > > 90. +Bx1c looks pretty > > strong and seems to be the only obvious way to > > continue the attack. Having > > a knight in hand and a knight on 7c means that white > > can drop a knight on > > 2f with check and then recapture with the other > > knight on 3c also with > > check. The white pawn on 3f is very strong so it may > > be possible to > > continue the attack by dropping a silver or gold on > > 3g once black's > > defending pieces have been stripped away. My > > analysis may be wrong but it > > appears to offer more chances at keeping the > > initiative then 90. S*8b. > > > > Finally, after 103. P*2f, why try and save the > > bishop by 104. B4d? There's > > another famous shogi proverb that says speed is much > > more important than > > material in the endgame. Right now all black has in > > hand is a gold and the > > only effective place to drop it in order to continue > > the attack is on 2e. > > While black is taking time capturing the bishop on > > 6b, white may have a > > chance to attack. > > > > What about 104. N3c? > > > > Or, if you really have to move the bishop than why > > not play 104. B5c? > > > > Then after 105. G*2e 106. +Bx2e, 107. Px2e 108. > > Kx2e there will be 3 white > > pieces hitting the 2f square as opposed to 2 by > > black. Black only has a > > bishop and pawns in hand and white is once again > > threatening to drop pieces > > on 2f. After 104. B4d white always seems to be a > > move behind. In fact B4d > > was played at two points in this game and in both > > cases it seems to have > > been not so good. > > > > My analysis undoubtably has lots of holes in it so > > I'd be really interested > > in hearing any corrections and/or improvements. > > > > Thanks > > Bill Gaudry > > > > --- Yoshi Niwata SEA UCATV NE JP> > > $B$+$i$N%a%C%;!<%8!' (B > > > Dear all, > > > > > > ISC monthly game May was really enjoyable. Thank > > you for all > > > participants. > > > > > > The results & kifu is here: > > > > > > http://www2.ucatv.ne.jp/~yukichi.sea/May2003monthlygame.htm > > > > > > 1) Match of the month : LennyHH vs TAKODORI, > > Karakurom vs ownroad > > > Lenny HH had a great game against high dan player, > > TAKODORI and > > > finally won! > > > Karakurom brilliantly played with a good tactics > > but ownroad never > > > gave up > > > and finally that effort led him a unbelievable > > victory! > > > Congratulations for > > > all. > > > > > > 2) Player of the month > > > Definitely Lenny HH deserves it !! Congratulation. > > > > > > > > > [Next ISC monthly game] > > > 21st June (Sat.) > > > Time: 10:00PM (JST) > > > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html > > > (Time difference table) > > > Place: "Osaka Dojo" in Shogi Club 24 > > > Room: "T Room"(not "R Room" or "F Room") > > > > > > To join, please e-mail to allen > > (aoka milk freemail ne jp) > > > > > > > > > Yoshi Niwata (Leader of ISC) > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Yoshi Niwata > > [mailto:yukichi sea ucatv ne jp] > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 9:29 AM > > > > To: Shogi-net Shogi Discussion List > > > > Subject: [ISC monthly game April] Match Table > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > Sorry for the late information abouth the > > monthly game tonight. > > > > > > > > Here is the schedule and latest information of > > the ISC monthly > > > > match in May. > > > > > > > > Date and Place: > > > > > > > > Date: 17th of May (Saturday) > > > > Time: 10:00PM (JST) > > > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html > > > > (Time difference table) > > > > Place: "Osaka Dojo" in Shogi Club 24 > > > > Room: "T Room"(not "R Room" or "F Room") > > > > > > > > Notes: > > > > > > > > (1) Meeting place: > > > > 1st game will start at 10:00PM (JST). Please > > come to "Osaka Dojo" > > > around > > > > 9:45PM (JST). If you enter "Osaka Dojo", please > > follow "Daruma78" > > > and > > > > if you first find me, please challenge me then > > when it is your > > > > turn to move, > > > > please resign. > > > > In that way, we will be able to chat. > > > > > > > > I wonder if we will take your time, but it is > > necessary in order > > > > to hold the > > > > match on schedule. I will be in Osaka Dojo at > > 9:30PM (JST). Thank > > > you in > > > > advance. > > > > > > > > (2) Games: > > > > Before the game, please talk with your opponent > > about "game > > > condition". > > > > > > > > Games played in "T Room" will automatically be > > saved. > > > > > > > > Please look at "Rules in Dojo" > > > > > > http://www2.ucatv.ne.jp/~yukichi.sea/RulesDOJO.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > List of paticipants: > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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