From: "'Gary Whelan'" ENTERMAIL NET> Date: 20 jan 2003 Subject: Re: Shogi lessons Do you think the Shogi Variants program is that strong? I think beginner or 15k would be more accurate. I can trounce it easily and my strength is only about middle kyu. It does have another useful feature though, namely the ability to play handicap games. These days I use it only for playing the white side of a 6-piece or 8- piece game. And, of course, it's great for learning the variants. ÖèíîâêàYou should also take a look at http://www.netspace.net.au/~trout/ where you will find a program called shogi variants - it includes a number of historical variants of shogi which you can ignore for now but also includes a reasonably strong computer player (around 6 kyu) for the normal 9x9 standard shogi. Its is also free! - an excellent start for a new player Hi Zeev Shapiro Did you try this book "Shogi for beginners" by John Fairbairn you can find more books on Shogi on www.kiseido.com and for a pretty strong Shogi software program not expensive www.oxford- softworks.com Greetings from another Shogi fan Eddy Van Hamme ----- Original Message ----- My name is Zeev Shapiro ( wolf_555 in Shogi 24 ) I am from Israel. I very-very like to learn Shogi. Now I give to this game all time , that free from sleep. But I don't have books , I don't have learns program. And , the main thing , ( I know it as the former trainer ) I don't have a Teacher ! .....