From: Yury Shpilev <shpilev <at> yahoo <dot> com>
Date: 16 dec 2003
Subject: Re: Problems with Topica as SHOGI-L host

Hello Pieter,

I can offer you to place Shogi list on Russian information resource http://Subscribe.ru
You can read "Rules of the discovery the distributions of category "debatable"" on next address:
http://subscribe.ru/faq/author/rules/disc.html
You can translate it on Altavista: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish
I have sent the letter with a question to the holder Subsrcribe.ru about "How create debatable
list on English". Now I have found that it can to do on Russian.
Just I have received the answer, that here russian interface.

But if you know Russian or have Russian-language friend, you can to move Shogi List to
Subsribe.ru.
Subsribe.ru is oldest Russian information resource and it have above 2,000,000 subscribers.

Best regards,
Yury Shpilev

--- Pieter Stouten <stouten <at> shogi <dot> net> wrote:
> Hello shogi fans,
> 
> There have been serious problems ever since SHOGI-L moved to topica.com, 
> and I am looking for an alternative host. If anybody knows an 
> organization or person that may be willing to host SHOGI-L (and 
> preferably runs listserver software), please let me know. Any tips or 
> pointers are greatly appreciated.
> 
> I was considering moving SHOGI-L to groups.yahoo.com, but I can only add 
> 10 subscribers per day, which means that to move all original SHOGI-L 
> subscribers, I would need about a month. Although Yahoo may be better 
> than Topica, it does not give me the amount of control I had at 
> techunix.technion.ac.il and it also "encourages" subscribers to its 
> lists to get a Yahoo account.
> 
> So, are things all that bad, you may ask. Yes, they are. The migration 
> to Topica cost me almost half the original SHOGI-L subscribers. 
> Moreover, there are 5 specific problems that really cause a nightmare: 
> 1) many people did not receive subscription invitations that I sent; 2) 
> others tried to subscribe without getting a request to confirm and never 
> got subscribed in the end (e.g., Giuseppe Baggio); 3) then there are 
> subscribers that do not get any e-mails from the list although they are 
> subscribed (e.g., Martin Danerud) and 4) there are subscribers that 
> suddenly got unsubscribed by Topica (e.g., Richard Sams); 5) most 
> recently Topica got blacklisted by Demon Internet (which affected e.g., 
> Phil Holland) and probably other ISPs as well.
> 
> So, I reiterate my request to please let me know of any potential 
> alternative SHOGI-L host you are aware of!
> 
> Thanks very much,
> 
> Pieter Stouten
> SHOGI-L owner


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