From: "T. Lawrence Pitts" ORO NET> Date: 22 sep 2002 Subject: Another request for rules clarification This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C26233.F1047310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's a question: suppose I drop a pawn [on a file without any other = pawn of mine, of course] on the last rank of the board... I understand = that it *has to* promote, since otherwise it would not have any legal = moves available to it. The " Shogi Rules" that came with my set say "At = the end of any move beginning or ending in the enemy camp a piece may = promote." Well, when I place the pawn on that last rank, doesn't that = count as a move "ending in the enemy camp"?? So, can the pawn promote = there and then, or does it actually have to make a move in order to be = promoted? ... =20 The same question applies to the lance, of course, or a knight entering = the last two ranks. Without promotion, they would have no legal moves on = any subsequent turn. In my prior question I thought I had it all "squared away," but when I = started playing, I realized that the actual moment of promotion changes = the pattern of attack/defense and it's critical to know if, in these = three situations of "mandatory promotion", the piece is promoted when = placed rather than when next moved. Some of the rules I've read seem to be concerned only with how the = pieces move... and if that were the only consideration, then it wouldn't = matter whether a piece was promoted or not until it did move. But, from = the point of view of how the patterns of attack and defense change, it = makes a big difference if the promotion is "forced" as it is placed. Sorry if I seem unusually dense about this... I sure appreciate your = patience with a "newbie". =20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C26233.F1047310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here's a question: suppose I drop = a pawn [on a=20 file without any other pawn of mine, of course] on the last rank of the = board...=20 I understand that it *has to* promote, since otherwise it would not have = any=20 legal moves available to it. The " Shogi Rules" that came with my set = say "At=20 the end of any move beginning or ending in the enemy camp a piece may=20 promote." Well, when I place the pawn on that last rank, doesn't=20 that count as a move "ending in the enemy camp"?? So, can the = pawn=20 promote there and then, or does it actually have to make a move = in=20 order to be promoted? ...

The same question applies to the lance, = of course,=20 or a knight entering the last two ranks. Without promotion, they would = have no=20 legal moves on any subsequent turn.

In my prior question I thought I had it = all=20 "squared away," but when I started playing, I realized that the actual = moment of=20 promotion changes the pattern of attack/defense and it's critical to = know if, in=20 these three situations of "mandatory promotion", the piece is = promoted=20 when placed rather than when next moved.

Some of the rules I've read seem to be = concerned=20 only with how the pieces move... and if that were the only=20 consideration, then it wouldn't matter whether a piece was promoted or = not until=20 it did move. But, from the point of view of how the = patterns of=20 attack and defense change, it makes a big difference if the = promotion=20 is "forced" as it is placed.

Sorry if I seem unusually dense about = this... =20 I sure appreciate your patience with a "newbie".

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