From: Larry Kaufman COMCAST NET> Date: 14 nov 2002 Subject: Re: The value of pieces to Shogi This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_I4nABRmXjeUPkTTd0+2kBg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ----- Original Message ----- From: Pierre Morteux To: SHOGI-L TECHUNIX TECHNION AC IL Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: The value of pieces to Shogi Is it possible to Shogi to give a relative value to the different pieces as it is current to make it to Chess? So to Chess, if we take the pawn = 1 as reference, we have : - pawn = 1 - Bishop = 3,5 - Knight = 3,5 - Rook = 5 - Queen = 10 To shogi, can make the same assessment? Pierre Morteux My answer is yes. The following table is a compromise between the opinions of top pros. I believe it is the most accurate simple table possible. Pawn = 1 Lance = 4 Knight = 5 Silver = 7 Gold = 8 Bishop = 11 Rook = 13 Regarding the promoted pieces, all the pieces that promote to gold would seem to be worth 8. But actually they are more valuable, because they can be exchanged without giving the opponent a gold. Therefore, promoted silver is 8 (+), promoted knight or lance 9, promoted pawn 10. As for promoted bishop or rook, the concensus seems to be to add 3 points, making 14 or 16 for those pieces. Other points to note: The value of N pawns is less than N, because the no double pawns rule makes it almost useless to have too many pawns. The knight is better than the lance when in hand, but sometimes on the board the opposite is true. In the endgame, normal values don't mean much; in particular generals (especially golds) in hand are good for mating. Larry Kaufman, amateur 5 Dan --Boundary_(ID_I4nABRmXjeUPkTTd0+2kBg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
 
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Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:51 PM
Subject: The value of pieces to Shogi

 
Is it possible to Shogi to give a relative value to the different pieces as it is current to make it to Chess? 
So to Chess, if we take the pawn = 1 as reference, we have :

        - pawn = 1
        - Bishop = 3,5
        - Knight = 3,5
        - Rook = 5
        - Queen = 10
 
To shogi, can make the same assessment?


            Pierre Morteux
 
     My answer is yes.  The following table is a compromise between the opinions of top pros.  I believe it is the most accurate simple table possible.
     Pawn = 1
     Lance = 4
     Knight = 5
     Silver = 7
     Gold = 8
     Bishop = 11
     Rook = 13
 
     Regarding the promoted pieces, all the pieces that promote to gold would seem to be worth 8.  But actually they are more valuable, because they can be exchanged without giving the opponent a gold.  Therefore, promoted silver is 8 (+), promoted knight or lance 9, promoted pawn 10.   As for promoted bishop or rook, the concensus seems to be to add 3 points, making 14 or 16 for those pieces.
     Other points to note: The value of N pawns is less than N, because the no double pawns rule makes it almost useless to have too many pawns.  The knight is better than the lance when in hand, but sometimes on the board the opposite is true.  In the endgame, normal values don't mean much; in particular generals (especially golds) in hand are good for mating.
 
     Larry Kaufman, amateur 5 Dan
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