From: Sylvain Ferrieres CLIPPER ENS FR> Date: 9 nov 2002 Subject: Re: ISF, 5-dans, Gert Schinder and Artem Kolomiyets For some days, this discussion list has mostly discussed on the validity of the rank, experience, wins of the greatest occidental shogi players. I can understand this is a main purpose for those concerned and perhapps a common intellectual way of relativisation and proving modesty.. "It's important to share many points of view to advance further" This wouldn't have been written if that was not the only subject of the week. I subscribed this list to share informations, experience, knowledge about this wonderful game, not to argue about the legitimity of occidental players raise. Not to hurt anyone, Sylvain.