From: Yoshiaki Nakanishi <gimei <at> RAINBOW <dot> PLALA <dot> OR <dot> JP>
Date: 4 may 2002
Subject: Re: Question

Shobute

My understanding is as follows:

Shobute = Shobu + Te
Shobu means victory or defeat.
Te means a move.

It is a "move" which urges the opponent "victory or defeat".
It tries to retrieve the situation by running the risk.
It is the move usually played by the disadvantageous?player.
It is usually a forcing move.
It is not a common sense move but an unexpected move.

Yoshiaki Nakanishi



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> [mailto:SHOGI-L <at> TECHUNIX <dot> TECHNION <dot> AC <dot> IL]On Behalf Of Larry Kaufman
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Stanley" <ian_stanley <at> BIGFOOT <dot> COM>
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> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 12:54 PM
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> > Japanese :
> >
> > Shobute
> >
> >
> >  After the opening, when a player judges that straightforward
> continuations
> > are insufficient to win, she may make a shobute, a play (te)
> that puts the
> > game (shobu) in balance. Shobute are typically invasions.
> >
> >  Shobute usually involve some risk, but they are not necessarily
> overplays.
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't speak the language but i got the definition from the Sensei's
> library
> > at   http://senseis.xmp.net/
> >
> >
> > the page is for GO  but as most of the terms used in both GO and SHOGI
> > are decriptive reguarding ideas [eg SENTE and GOTE] then the translation
> > should be accurate
>
>       I think this translation is unsuitable for shogi, particularly the
> reference to "invasion"..  Although I don't really know the word,
> perhaps in
> shogi it is used to mean "sacrifice" in the chess sense, which may or may
> not be sound.  Japanese speakers, please comment.
>
>      Larry Kaufman