From: Andrew Lipscomb <ewwa <at> CHATTANOOGA <dot> NET>
Date: 20 mar 2001
Subject: Re: About the name of the pieces

>> But in spaken language Gote san san kaku   means B33 not B3c.
> Since we've already estabished that we're not calling Gote a
> Gote but a bishop (?), I think we can also call B33 as B3C.

Actually, the Japanese say kaku (or long-form kakugyo) for bishop.
Gote is white (I actually like what the French do on that, using
the word North).

> I wouldn't mind using B33, but I think B3c is already "common
> practice", isn't it? I've checked; B3c is used:
> -by Reijer in his Shukan Shogi updates.
> -in the "suggested notation" for ladder games
> -by Matt Casters in his Java database.
> And a whole bunch of other sites I browsed through.
> Even Shogi Nexus (which is pretty "Japan oriented") uses B3c in
> the the game scores in (for example) "How to defend in Shogi"
> and the Tsume problems, although the diagrams use the
> <3injapanese> character.
> I don't have my "the art of Shogi" at hand, perhaps someone
> else can check?

Art of Shogi uses B33.  But it is a bit of an outlier in that.

> But at the moment I can only find sources that use the original
> Japanese system *or* the "B3c system". I can not find *any*
> source that actually uses B33...

Then there's "Shogi: Japan's Game of Strategy," which uses 3 iii B!