From: Rikard Nordgren <e7rikard <at> ETEK <dot> CHALMERS <dot> SE>
Date: 20 mar 2001
Subject: Re: About the name of the pieces

The art of Shogi uses the numeric system. In janggi (korean chess) a
similar system is used
with numerals only. The japanese use numerals only. I think that these
are arguments enough
to use this system. It is also easier to count in numbers when finding a
row.

Rikard



"Dr.Eduard Werner" wrote:
>
> On Tuesday 20 March 2001 11:18, you wrote:
> > > But in spaken language Gote san san kaku   means B33 not B3c.
> >
> > Since we've already estabished that we're not calling Gote a Gote but a
> > bishop (?), I think we can also call B33 as B3C.
>
> Gote is "White", the Japanese word for Bishop is "Kaku(gyo)".
>
> > I wouldn't mind using B33, but I think B3c is already "common practice",
> > isn't it? I've checked; B3c is used:
> > -by Reijer in his Shukan Shogi updates.
> > -in the "suggested notation" for ladder games
> > -by Matt Casters in his Java database.
> > And a whole bunch of other sites I browsed through.
>
> You can add "Shogi for Beginners", "Better moves for better Shogi"
> and the "Guide to Shogi openings" here (the latter two are even
> bilingual Japanese-English).
>
> > Even Shogi Nexus (which is pretty "Japan oriented") uses B3c in the the
> > game scores in (for example) "How to defend in Shogi" and the Tsume
> > problems, although the diagrams use the <3injapanese> character.
> > I don't have my "the art of Shogi" at hand, perhaps someone else can check?
> >
> > But at the moment I can only find sources that use the original Japanese
> > system *or* the "B3c system". I can not find *any* source that actually
> > uses B33...
>
> Tony Hosking does. At least in "Habu's words" it's done like that.
>
> Edi