From: Arnoud Kleynjan IXDIRECT COM> Date: 20 mar 2001 Subject: Re: About the name of the pieces > But in spaken language Gote san san kaku means B33 not B3c. Since we've already estabished that we're not calling Gote a Gote but a bishop (?), I think we can also call B33 as B3C. I wouldn't mind using B33, but I think B3c is already "common practice", isn't it? I've checked; B3c is used: -by Reijer in his Shukan Shogi updates. -in the "suggested notation" for ladder games -by Matt Casters in his Java database. And a whole bunch of other sites I browsed through. Even Shogi Nexus (which is pretty "Japan oriented") uses B3c in the the game scores in (for example) "How to defend in Shogi" and the Tsume problems, although the diagrams use the <3injapanese> character. I don't have my "the art of Shogi" at hand, perhaps someone else can check? But at the moment I can only find sources that use the original Japanese system *or* the "B3c system". I can not find *any* source that actually uses B33... Arnoud Kleynjan