From: Pieter Stouten SHOGI NET> Date: 27 may 2000 Subject: Tournament formats In a previous mail, I gave my thoughts on a World Federation and World Championship. These issues should be separated as much as possible from tournament formats. Complete separation is impossible as a World Championship may require different (e.g., more stringent rules) than other tournaments. SWISS VERSUS KO --------------- As Larry indicated a Swiss tournament is fairer than a KO. To my mind, there is only one reason for a KO and it is an organizational/publicity one: one has a final after a known number of games in which the winner is determined. As I indicated before, there are two disadvantages to a Swiss tournament and that is that the winner may be known before the final round and that tie-breaking or a play-off may be necessary. Both these disadvantages are organizational (publicity) ones, but they don't compromise the inherent fairness of the Swiss system. The hybrid Swiss/KO I proposed (which received support from Larry and Doug) requires more rounds than a KO (an organizational issue) and may lead to a situation where a clear leader after the Swiss tournament has to prove his superiority anew in a semi-final and final (a fairness issue). Regardless of which format one chooses, to my mind there is no reasonable argument not to use Elo-ratings to determine the pairings (Larry already made this point). In fact, USSF, FESA, Shogi Dojo, the amateur Renmei (still?) all use Elo-ratings. In my opinion a worldwide Elo-rating system is long overdue. Being able to use it for pairings would significantly reduce the disadvantages of a KO. NON-CONTENDERS INFLUENCING TOURNAMENT RESULTS --------------------------------------------- In general, I think it is a bad idea if non-contenders can directly influence the outcome of a tournament. I find it particularly problematic if simultaneous handicap games against professionals are part of a regular even-games tournament. My reasons: 1) (as said) non-contenders should not influence the outcome. In the past there weer serious problems with dan-players influencing the outcome of the second group of the European Championship EC. This was important as one could qualify for the following EC's champions' group. 2) All games should be contested under the same circumstances (i.e., all 1-on-1). 3) To be fair to all players, irrespective of strength, the same handicap should be given to all. That, however, defies part of the purpose of playing a handicap game against a professional, which is to make the game challenging to, but "winnable" by the weaker player. 4) Some players may be better/worse playing handicap games than even games, and their performance in essentially an even-game event may be affacted unfairly by their (lack of) handicap skills. Ciao, Pieter