From: "'Shigeki Masui'" BANET NET> Date: 2 jun 2000 Subject: Tournament System - Knockdown or Swiss Following is my personal comment to Larry Kaufman's criticism. 1) I agree to the announcement of the Shogi World Championship that Mr. Egoshi is the champion and Mr. Ito is the runner up. There is no one other than Mr. Chiaki Ito who can claim as No.2 in the tournament. 2) I truly believe that there are many reasons why many world class tournaments in various games use knockdown system in stead of swiss in the final championship series or tournaments. 3) USSF used exactly knockdown system in US Championship 1999 in Chicago. The Champion was decided by the knockdown system. Larry Kaufman is the chairman of USSF. I like to hear the explanation from Larry Kaufman why he applied the knockdown. Why didn't he criticize the system in his USA Championship which indeed used the knockdown system. 4) I like to point out the facts that many world top class tournaments use knock down system. These tournaments are managed and operated by first class people for many years and they must have good reasons for their system. World Cup (the largest sports event in the world) use knock down system in the final championship tournament after using swiss system to select top 8 (or 16) similar to the Shogi World Championship. I heard a lots of words from many countries that Italy (or England) was very unfortunate to fight against Brazil at the first round of the championship tournament. Otherwise Italy (England) could be the team to go to the final 4. However, the World Cup dose not use swiss system even after final four were determined. The team (Brazil) who lost championship against France was very disappointed but they claimed to be No2 and nobody raised question about the status of No.2 like Larry did it to Ito. No3 and No4 was decided but none of them complained that the system was wrong and he could be No2. as he did not play against the No.2 like Larry did. I do not hear any strong voice that swiss system must be applied to the final four of the world cup. Can we say that in the most popular sports in the world, knockdown system is well accepted to determine champion? If so there must be good reasons. Can you claim that Japanese like knockdown and Europeans like swiss? I do not think so. It is pity to learn that many Shogi leaders outside of Japan simplify the issues by drawing lines by Japanese vs Westerners. 5) How about olympic, the sacred of the world sports. There are many games in olympic that use knockdown system rather than swiss. Gold, Silver and Brons can stand on the ceremony with national anthem. Many athletes have only one chance. If they lose on the first round of qualifying tournament, many of them must fly back home in the midst of Olympic. They trained very hard for 4 or longer years putting everything in but are given only one chance in their life. This is the reality of the Olympic and the world is excited every 4 years. I do not hear the complain like Larry Kafuman raised. Why is that? 7) In the United States of America where Larry Kaufman live in, Major League Baseball, American Foot Ball and National Basket Ball, all of them use knock down system to determine the Champion after the all year long league or swiss system tournament. I do not hear many complains from the sports journalists against the knockdown system for the championship tournaments. I think sports journalist will write anything if they could get public attention. Why is that? I have not seen many articles in sports news questioning the status of No.2 saying he did not play against one of the loser in semi final as Larry Kaufman raised. Is this because of sportsman's spirit? In these most popular sports in USA, I do not see many sports writers claim that Swiss system must be applied instead of knockdown to determine the world champion. As the conclusion of my personal opinion, in today's world class championship tournaments knock down system is the most popular to determine the world champion and that journalist of the world sports generally accept the knockdown system and very seldom to raise the issue the status of the runner up who didi not fight against one of the loser of the semi final. I have not seen yet any famous sports analysts insist swiss system questioning the status of NO2. There must be good and enough reasons why the sports world accept knockdown system to determine the champion. I am sure they know well the merit of Swiss system too. It was not pleasant for me to read the criticism by Larry Kaufman questioning the status of the runner up of the tournament in order to convince swiss system to the shogi world championship. As mentioned the other day I understand the merit of swiss system and the shogi world championship used the swiss system for the classification tournament, however I am not convinced at all whether swiss system must be used to determine the world champion. And I totally disagree to simplify the difference of opinion by Japanese vs Westerners. Regards, Shigeki Masui