From: "e.t" <etognoni <at> CURSORE <dot> IT>
Date: 11 jan 2000
Subject: Re: Moscow Shogi OPEN 2000 and Kyu-Dan Test

hello what about Switzerland shogi federation? pls let me know about
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Enrico Tognoni

Larry Kaufman ha scritto:

> At 10:12 PM 1/10/00 +0100, you wrote:
> >> Hello, Shogi friends !
> >> We have Japanese Delegation visit, here in Moscow.
> >> Today Moscow Shogi OPEN and Kyu-Dan Test finished.
> >
> >How good to hear about the progress in expanding Shogi in Russia.
> >
> >I'll look into what can done about using the results to give you a
> >rating number.  One posibility is to "save" this results until some of
> >you have played some games against other European players.  My
> >questions are:
> >
> >The grades listed on the Russian players (1 Dan - 13 kyu), where did
> >they come from?  My guess is that the Japanese guests gave it as an
> >evaluation of your strength after they had played some games with you.
> >But I'd like to know.
> >
> >What is the kyu test?
> >
> >Regards
> >Asle Olufsen
> >
>
>      In case you didn't notice, two of the Japanese players who played in
> Russia also played in London last summer, and so have ratings.  So there is
> some (small) basis for rating the Russian event.
>      As to the "kyu test", read the below letter from Mr. Nosovsky:
> Kyu-Dan Test
> First, Tatsutomi, Muro and Moro played equal games against each player
> (sometimes two players).
> Those who get ranks 10,11,12, 13, 14, 15 kyu played only Mr. Tatsutomi, Muro
> and Moro.
> After that they recomended some player (who  get better then 10 kyu rank to
> play with Mr. Nakao (6 Dan Pro).
> Mr. Nakao have played with 3 players semulatively and gaves kyu from 9-8 .
> All Mr. Tatsutomi, Moro and Muro have played games against Nikonov and say
> that he is rather strong.
> Two players Mr. Nikonov and Mr. Shpilev were selected to play with Mr. Nakao
> equal game one by one , and then he say that they have to play again.
> Nikonov against Shpilev and Mr. Nakao sitting near and write their game.
> He will show this game to Japanese Shogi Federation.
> After Nikonov won , and Mr. Nakao decided that he is above 1 kyu-1 Dan ,
> then 4 Japanese players discuss it and decided about 1 Dan.
> Mr. Kisluk was recognized as 5 kyu during 1-st International Tournament in
> Japan (you probably have met with him).
> Japanese played with him and upper him 1 kyu.
> Regards Nosovsky
>
>      Finally, back to our Pan-Atlantic list, I wonder if you might try a
> run using floating-point numbers.  It shouldn't matter much if everything
> is rounded, but if fractions are being truncated it could cause a serious
> bias.  I think something must be wrong, because the value of bishop in the
> free-floating run seems lower to me than makes sense from the data; perhaps
> this is the problem.  I know that with floating point numbers the ratings
> on the first run will never completely converge, because some players lost
> every game, but this won't matter as those players won't influence the
> handicap values, which is all that matters on the first run.
>
>      Larry