From: teruko P2242 NSK NE JP> Date: 14 apr 2000 Subject: It's a little difficult to understand all the concern about when to "claim" games. Why would anyone want to? As far as I know one enters a shogi tournament in order to play shogi and have fun, claiming games isn't playing shogi and is likely to cause an atmosphere of strained relations unconducive to fun. Pieter's increasing stakes dont seem much of an excuse, cash prizes are still small and haven't changed any attitudes I'm aware of, tickets to Japan have been around for more than ten years and surely nobody is so concerned about ratings or exaggerated titles. George Hodges expressed the excellent advice that situations not specifically covered by the rules should be dealt with in the Japanese spirit of the game. The rules under discussion recently are mainly those of tournament conduct, not rules of shogi. Rules issued by the Renmei seem likely to be of the same nature and as such are irrelevant. Japanese themselves aren't bothered by these kind of rules. If my opponent makes a nifu I press the clock and point it out, most players change their move. A king that can be taken is a different case, the player will resign. It seems that rather than being considered illegal, (for amateurs), nifu type moves are viewed as invalid, whereas a king left in check can be taken so is not an invalid (illegal) move in the same sense. In last year's Amateur Meijin qualifier I dropped a piece on 4c when I intended to drop it on 5c, my opponent, in the full awareness that were the offer accepted he would quickly lose, suggested I play the move I intended. This might exemplify the Japanese spirit of the game George was talking about. Shogi players are a society and it's important for them to get along well together, interestingly in Japanese one plays with one's "aite" a word which can also mean interlocutor, lover, etc, it lacks the negative connotations of "opponent". If the mooted Westernisation of shogi means importing trivial attitudes from chess, one of the beauties of the game will be gone. A final small point, the player giving the handicap is usually the winner in what would in non-handicap games be drawn situations. Michael Sandeman.