From: Pieter Stouten SHOGI NET> Date: 12 apr 2000 Subject: Re: Checkmate On 00/04/12 at 13:56 +0200, Majewski, Thomas wrote: >[...] I deduct, >that you can survive giving checkmate with a hanging flaf on the clock, >because you do not have to take the king with your next move. But >delivering checkmate and your flag is falling exectly than might be >another story. Does everybody agree to this? > As was mentioned before the move is made when the piece has been released. Since a move cannot be taken back, this means that the game has ended the moment the mating move was made, even before the clock was ticked. Now the question is: what happens if the mate-giving player does not notice it? No problem, as play continues and the mate-giving player will lose on time. The real issue here is: how can one be sure that the mate-giving player actually notices that it is mate? It is conceivable that under serious byoyomi-pressure, a player might not notice he has delivered mate. Is the mate-giving player required to announce it is mate? This is not the practice in tournaments I have participated in, so what rule should govern this situation? Ciao, Pieter