From: Nick Bardsley <nbardsley <at> ICC <dot> CO <dot> UK>
Date: 12 apr 2000
Subject: Re: Various shogi rules

The notion of a Shogi player who is in mate but has time on the clock, being
able to time-out his opponent and therefore win, follows from the fact that
in Shogi it is legal to move into mate and therefore also legal to remain in
mate. It could be said that in Shogi a player in mate is actually resigning
and waiving his technical right to make a futile last move. So when a player
is in mate but with good time and sees that he can time-out his opponent he
can refuse to resign and *ahem* ruminate over his last move until the
opponent is timed out...

Nick

> Interesting, and not as I know it from chess. I can't follow.
> If you are
> checkmated, then your opponent has finished his last move
> (although he might
> not have had the time to press the clock afterwards), so the
> game is over.
> It should be hard to prove that the time was up *before* he
> finished the mating
> move. According to my chess tournament experience, mate ends
> the game and you
> can't claim a win according to your opponent having run out
> of time. In
> 5-minutes games, even a mate-in-one position is still won
> when you run out of
> time. This one I never liked since it's not clear whether the
> player would see
> and give the mate, but according to me, when you finish your
> move and it's mate
> (really mate, not the start of a mating sequence) then the
> game is over and
> can't be reclaimed.
>
> Best
>
> Edi
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