From: "dr. Eduard Werner (Edward Wornar)" SERBSKI-INSTITUT DE> Date: 12 apr 2000 Subject: Re: Various shogi rules Dnja Wed, 12 Apr 2000 sæe pisali: > In Europe, the first detected and claimed result counts. So if you find yourself > checkmated, (which in itself is legal) and your opponent has run out of time, > you still can > claim the game. Interesting, and not as I know it from chess. I can't follow. If you are checkmated, then your opponent has finished his last move (although he might not have had the time to press the clock afterwards), so the game is over. It should be hard to prove that the time was up *before* he finished the mating move. According to my chess tournament experience, mate ends the game and you can't claim a win according to your opponent having run out of time. In 5-minutes games, even a mate-in-one position is still won when you run out of time. This one I never liked since it's not clear whether the player would see and give the mate, but according to me, when you finish your move and it's mate (really mate, not the start of a mating sequence) then the game is over and can't be reclaimed. Best Edi -- zzz. |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_)