From: "'Marc Theeuwen'" AMSINC COM> Date: 12 apr 2000 Subject: Re: Various shogi rules L.S. From my experience as tournament director in Europe, I have some comments to the rules: Bystanders, including the tournament director are expected to refrain from interference with the game. If however, they do interfere, which is considered a violation of etiquette, the players are obviously aware of the situation and the player making an illegal move is expected to resign and his/her opponent is expected to accept this. It should be considered not done to continue playing (for real) when such a situation is recognized. Also negotiations about this between the players should be considered bad taste, but the tournament director should not enforce it. George Fernandez wrote: >4. A player must push the clock with the same hand that moves the pieces. As far as I know this is common in Europe, but not a requirement. A move is considered done when the player lets go of the piece he has moved. Pressing the clock is not necessary (but wise anyways). Therefore taking back moves is illegal. >8. An illegal move, if found in time loses the game. This means while the player claiming >the win still has time on his clock and before the end of the game. In Europe, the first detected and claimed result counts. So if you find yourself checkmated, (which in itself is legal) and your opponent has run out of time, you still can claim the game. It is even expected that the player who made an illegal move and detects it before his/her opponent, resigns. This is part of the etiquette. >Sennichite (Draw by repetition) >The game is replayed with the following conditions: >1. The players change sides. That is, sente now becomes gote. >2. The time leftover is the new time allowed for the second game. >3. If less than 10 minutes remain on the clock, the referee will decide how much time to >allow for the second game. At the EC, the situation is that if one player has less than 15 minutes, he receives exactly 15 minutes and his opponent receives as many extra minutes as his opponent received. However, the tie breaking rules for sennichite and ji-shogi are only applied in case the tournament format requires a clear winner (e.g. in case of a knock-out tournament). Regards, Marc Theeuwen