From: Larry Kaufman WIZARD NET> Date: 11 apr 2000 Subject: Re: A funny thing happened in Cincinnati At 05:49 AM 4/11/00 -0400, you wrote: >>>>A rule that is often used in amateur shogi events, which I personally >>>>favor, is to have all jishogi games decided by whoever is ahead on >>>>points, regardless of how much, with white winning in case of a tie >>>>score (27-27) and white getting credit for his removed pieces in a >>>>handicap game.  So the only draws are repetition, which are more >>>>practical to replay than jishogi games (since they already take >>>>forever).   >>> >>> >>> You know, I've heard that you need to get 28 >>> Gosh, I guess I'd better >>> take notes so there's no confusion in the future! >>> With this rule, if you are black you do need 28 to win. do these names encompass the ENTIRE >>> position, or just the situation involving someone's king in perpetual It is a universal rule that a repetition due to perpetual check is a loss for the player giving perpetual check. However, I never heard of any other attempt to "blame" a repetition on one player or the other based on who's "attacking". This is a standard rule in Chinese Chess (one subject to much debate and interpretation), but not in Shogi. Some events or clubs score a repetition in a handicap game as a win for white, and perhaps it has been done in even games somewhere, though I don't recall hearing of it. >>>>Whether repetition games are replayed or scored as 1/2 varies from >>>>event to event; in elimination tournaments they must of course be >>>>replayed, but in Swiss system events I see no need for this.   >>> >>> I vote for replays. Sometimes a distinction is made between repetitions occurring before a fight develops, and repetitions in the endgame. It would be reasonable to replay the former, since they occur early, but score the later case as 1/2. But one would have to write a good rule to clearly define the two cases. >>> >>>Doug Dysart >>> Ohio Shogi Club founder Larry Kaufman