From: "'Chapatsu' Rob Uechi" U WASHINGTON EDU> Date: 12 oct 1999 Subject: Oza-sen Hi Randy, Patrick was right. If you need confirmation, look in the back of the Shogi Nenkan to see the history of the title matches (Showa 58=1983). Nakahara has 16 titles because it counts 10 titles he won before it was a match, and 6 more after that. As for Sunny Sano, I don't know of his source, and if you looked in Shogi Magazine #6, this was way before it became a title match and would account for the difference. Sincerely, Alexei