From: "'Ben Bednarz'" AOL COM> Date: 24 jun 1999 Subject: Re: Promoting shogi (which Vancouver?) In a message dated 6/23/99 7:54:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, vindaloo UNISERVE COM writes: << Yes, the Vancouver Shogi Club refereed to is indeed the one in Canadian city of Vancouver, not the American Vancouver in Washington State. I thought they'd changed the name of the American one to Fort Vancouver -- I guess not, eh? >> Technically, it is Fort Vancouver, but 99% of the people just call it Vancouver. Here in Oregon, if I were to go out and talk to strangers about "Vancouver", most would either assume I meant Vancouver, WA, or ask which I meant. Anyway, the whole issue is silly-- Vancouver, BC has a shogi tradition, and Vancouver, WA does not. It does, however, strike me that shogi in the Pacific Northwest has gone downhill a lot from the eighties. I wonder why? Ben