From: Leslie Kish & Joshua Krekeler ONE NET> Date: 18 jun 1999 Subject: Re: Promoting shogi I think the best potential source for shogi is chess players, if you can get them to try the game. Maybe we need on online tournament where people play both chess and shogi, (the shogi with handicap, the chess without). Ben Ben, I'm really glad to read that on Shogi-L! The members of the Ohio Shogi Club are, as a whole, deeply involved with three of the four major chess clubs in Cincinnati. Since we're around chess players so often, we've put a lot of thought into getting them interested in learning shogi and becoming shogi players too. They're our primary market, and we try to familiarize them with shogi by continually having shogi boards out and enjoying our games. We're by far the loudest bunch in any room full of chess players. We've also tried to make the game seem approachable and easy for a chess player to learn by using international sets and emphasizing the similarity between shogi and bughouse (four- player chess played on two boards with drops). In addition, Doug Dysart made a shogi set with cylindrical pieces proportioned like chess pieces, and several of our members can testify that shogi has helped them play better chess. The truth is that getting chess players to learn shogi and play more than a few games has been a slow process. All we can do is demonstrate how much we love it -- whether a new player likes it enough to stick with it is always a question of individual temperament. We're not going anywhere, though, so since we're on the Cincinnati chess scene to stay, I'd like to hear other subscribers' positive or negative experiences with teaching shogi to chess players. Maybe we can learn some other means of presentation that also work well at chess clubs. As far as the question of promoting shogi at clubs vs. on the internet, I believe that the more people learn about shogi by any means, the better. Josh Krekeler Ohio Shogi Club