From: "'Ben Bednarz'" AOL COM> Date: 8 feb 1999 Subject: Re: Chess and shogi I hate to say this, but this entire discussion of the beauty of shogi compared to other games is very much a case of "the minister preaching to the faithful." Everybody here presumably already likes shogi. The trick is to convince the rest of the world. Around twelve years ago, there was a lot of discussion in Chess Life about how to improve chess. I wrote a couple of letters to Larry Evans' column, making the same points being made here. The letters were published, but made no lasting effect. The truth is, chess players see shogi as a "chess variant," and more chess players won't play variants. (By comparison, how many of us consider "arena football" to be real (American) football?) To convince Westerners (or Americans, at least) to play shogi, you need to convince them that this is a real alternative. A great deal could be achieved by exposing them to shogi/Japanes culture, but the Japanese are not very proactive in exporting their culture -- fear of cultural pollution, I would guess. Bottom line is: to make shogi popular outside of Japan, you need to convince people it's not just a "toy" variant of chess. That said, I would like to challenge one part of Larry's analysis. I don't think you can expect a game to have early interaction and not need lots of opening memorization. Early interaction, combined with tactics, leads to opening traps and thus to opening memorization. In chess, early interaction forces openings to be important even for beginners. In shogi, one become even a decent amateur 1 dan with little opening knowledge, because interaction develops a little slower. Also, I don't know how you would categorize it, but chess has one thing shogi does not: endgames. Well, I mean... shogi has endgames, which are generally violent attacks (white/black to move and win...). But chess has these beautiful endgames involved fewer pieces and elegant concepts. That "chess- style" endgame is missing from shogi, and that is a pity. Ben Bednarz